[OSM-talk] Partners sought for cycle routing project

[Peter Miller]

As you quite rightly point out the UK initiative has crown (c) all over it,
and the core data will be commercial and the core data standards are based
on OS standards etc etc, and that it is only the subjective data will be
community collected.

A number of us pushed for something more open and we thought we were getting
somewhere but then the doors started closing. I think the DfT is currently
spending £250K collecting data for a few places to enhance the base OS model
which is all a bit alloying, but I thought the data standard and attributes
were worth circulating to the list.

OSM data is not mentioned in the standard explicitly, but the mapping
between OSM and their standard is ok. The UK one is much more complex than
the OSM one because the roads layer and the footpaths layer and the cycling
layer are all distinct in the UK model.

It will be interesting to see how long it takes until an authority launches
an official cycle journey planner based on OSM data.




Regards,



Peter



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shaun McDonald [mailto:shaun at shaunmcdonald.me.uk]
> Sent: 14 May 2008 13:15
> To: Frederik Ramm
> Cc: Peter Miller; talk at openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Partners sought for cycle routing project
> 
> 
> On 14 May 2008, at 12:53, Frederik Ramm wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> >> The UK is also setting out on creating data for a cycle journey
> >> planner
> >> using a mixture of professionally and community collected data.
> >
> > So this is a government-funded project?
> 
> Looks like it is the department for Transport who are setting it up.
> Look at the bottom of the pages and you see "Crown Copyright", which
> basically means that it is the UK Government or one of their agencies.
> 
> >
> >
> >> A number of people with OSM experience were involved in setting the
> >> data
> >> standard and some good ideas from OSM have got into it and it will be
> >> reasonably straightforward to convert between the UK standard and
> >> the OSM
> >> model.
> >
> > This is interesting but I thought it very impressive of the Munich
> > guys to actually embrace the OSM model and commit themselves to
> > working with that, instead of creating *another* data model. I'd
> > rather encourage them to go the OSM way than to do something else.
> >
> 
> These proposals seems to be a way to represent a route from a to b.
> They already have "defacto standards" for defining a route on public
> transport, which is used by the UK journey planners. This basically
> extends it to cycling.
> 
> > Unfortunately they have just called me and said they won't make this
> > year's deadline, so any results are even farther away than originally
> > thought.
> >
> > Still, my inquiry has resulted in some very interesting feedback
> > (including your message) and since this information wasn't available
> > on the existing OSM lists before this leads me to think we might have
> > use for an extra cycle-related mailing list? Unless there's a non-OSM
> > list already that can be used?
> >
> >> I also think the Department for Transport in the UK may also be
> >> interested
> >> in what is being proposed. Can I suggest you let your local people
> >> see the
> >> UK standards documents.
> >
> > I'll do that definitely. But what exactly is the plan with the UK
> > standard in relation to OSM data? Is the idea to create a complex
> > model that uses different data sources without creating a "derived
> > database"?
> 
>  From the site there is nothing that mentions osm.
> 
> Shaun