[OSM-talk] Mapnik rendering of paths + place=locality in general

[Sebastian Spaeth]

Ulf Lamping wrote:
>> Come on. There is no "the renderer", you can set up your own if you
>> like. Anyone can. 
> Of course, I could climb on the top of the mount everest - in theory.
> In practise I would need a lot of time to learn how to do that.

Yes so what? I learned how osmarender styles worked without knowing a
thing about XSLT. And everyone who has ever looked at CSS would be able
to copy'n paste his way to a new style in osma.

> BTW: By saying "anyone can" someone can easily understand this as "... 
> and if you can't, you're a lazy idiot".

No he isn't. He is saying that some people were bothered so much by
their perceived lack of rendering that they invested the efforts to
learn how to do styles while others aren't. Others don't seem to be
bothered enough to trigger any action. Nothing to do with lazyness.

> When I started to work on the map display, I was asking on the list how 
> to improve the POI display in general - My idea was that putting the 
> POIs on the map will encourage mappers to actually add this stuff to the 
> database. You know, stuff that you see is actually a lot more 
> interesting than stuff that you don't see :-)
> 
> The answers I got from the list for both mapnik/osmarender can be 
> summarized as: We don't want to have those icons on our map, this will 
> look ugly.

Whoever told you this told bullshit :). I as current th server operator
was/am imaging a POI layer on t at h for quite some time. All it takes is a
person that is annoyed enough by the lack of POIs to do the osma
stylesheets for such a POI layer. I have been communicating that for a
while and nobody has stepped forward to create them. This is the only
reason why t at h has no POI layer. I invite you or whoever wants such a
layer to commit the necessary stylesheets to SVN.

> So yes, the list (if this is what you meant with "we"?) actually 
> prevented me to work on the mapnik/osmarender maps ...

We, is whoever is *actually* doing things. You are apparently investing
lots of effort in JOSM rendering and it has therefore improved
tremendously. In this case "we" is you. :-)

spaetz