[OSM-talk] xybot

[Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)]

flo at rfc822.org [mailto:flo at rfc822.org] wrote:
>Sent: 11 April 2009 7:00 AM
>To: Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
>Cc: 'OSM Talk'
>Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] xybot
>
>On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 11:24:51PM +0100, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
>wrote:
>>
>> That would be tagging for the renderer, which is not the OSM way. The OSM
>> way is to tag what the object logically is as you see it.
>>
>
>Based on common understanding of the meaning of the tags.
>
>> >Its a matter of common understanding - landuse=forrest and natural=wood
>> >are in use and have been defined
>>
>> Hold on there. Defined? defined by whom. If you mean its in map features
>> then that's cool because I put them there :-D
>> On the other hand Map Features isn't a rule book or a prescribed
>standard.
>> Its guidance on how you might like to tag. landuse=wood is perfectly
>correct
>> in English. It means it's a piece of land been used for managed woodland
>to
>> my mind. That's not the same as forest. It might not translate the same
>for
>> you but that's cool. I wouldn't be asking you to accept the tag is
>correct
>> in your eyes, but I am asking you to respect it could be in mine.
>
>It might be that for you landuse=wood is managed woodland. The
>wiki says the opposit and thats what people use to understand
>the tags. And i am not talking about any translation in the wiki,
>i am talking about the english version and what it says in the
>description of key and value usage.
>
>landuse=forest
>	http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Landuse
>
>	"For areas of land used by people. For natural areas, see
>Key:natural."
>
>	[...]
>	 landuse 	  forest 	  Managed forest or woodland
plantation
>(Other languages). See also natural=wood.
>	[...]
>
>natural=wood
>	http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:natural
>
>	"This key is used to describe natural features, mostly in
>	terms of habitats and geological features. For man-made
>	and -managed features, see Key:landuse"
>
>	[..]
>	 natural 	  wood 	  	 Natural woodland (trees). See also
>landuse=forest.
>
>
>> >And in the above case there are a bunch of people who disagree with
>> >using landuse=wood. And it doesnt even fit the keys definition by
>> >which landuse means PEOPLEs use - Wood is not peoples use by definition
>> >of the value. So landuse cant be used with wood as from whats in the
>> >key and value description in the wiki.
>>
>> Well, we can agree to disagree on that point.
>
>You not only disagree with me but with the wiki and probably with
>loads of mappers who tried to tag according to the description
>of the tags in the wiki.

Well, the wiki changes with time. Look back through the history of the page
and you will find it has changed over the last 3 years. The wiki is only
guidance, not a set of rules/standards. I appreciate 100% that mappers will
use what it says there today and that's cool, I have no problem with that.
What I disagree with is that any alternative view is wrong. It's not wrong
its just different.

Cheers

Andy


>
>Flo
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