[OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

[Peteris Krisjanis]

2009/12/8 SteveC <steve at asklater.com>:
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> On Dec 8, 2009, at 2:08 PM, Peteris Krisjanis wrote:
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>>>>>> SteveC schreef:
>>>>>>> You're really advocating switching license without asking anyone?
>>>>>> Isn't he merely stating that if you truly believe CC-BY-SA doesn't
>>>>>> protect the data, you don't have to ask anyone to do so?
>>>>>
>>>>> to do what, relicense?
>>>>
>>>> Exactly; if your statement is sound. CC-BY-SA doesn't protect us, thus
>>>> doesn't protect us against ourselves, thus OSMF could declare the data
>>>> today as ODbL, and wait to get sued by the editors that doesn't like
>>>> this change, if the CC-BY-SA holds the relicense has just been made a
>>>> copyright infringement and therefore wasn't required in the first place.
>>>
>>> So you really are saying the LWG / OSMF should just ignore everyone and change the license?
>>>
>>> I think it's better to build a consensus and vote and so on personally, even with all the ups and downs.
>>
>> Steve,
>>
>> I think he wanted to point ironical situation that you claim that
>> CC-BY-SA doesn't work. So, it doesn't work, there are workarounds,
>> let's use this workaround to relicense everything to ODbL :)
>>
>> Anyway, you can call him a troll, but I agree I so far haven't heard
>> sound arguments why CC-BY-SA "doesn't work" and what "work" actually
>> means. Doesn't work for Cloudmade? Doesn't work for community? Doesn't
>> what? And please, don't refer to old mailing list posts, explain it in
>> your words, because it is different disscussion and different
>> situation.
>
> Have you seen this?
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> http://www.osmfoundation.org/images/3/3c/License_Proposal.pdf
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> and this?
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> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Why_You_Should_Vote_Yes
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> Yours &c.
>
> Steve
>

So, in nutshell, CC-BY-SA, or even worse, copyright law itself doesn't
protect OSM database, because it's database of facts and it doesn't
work in lot of juristictions. More or less in those juristictions OSM
data are effectively not copyrightable and therefore their usage and
distribution can't be controlled by copyright law.

p.s. btw, in my country database of facts IS copyrightable and I think
it's the same with rest of EU (correct me if I am wrong).

So in fact that means no license with basis in copyright term and law
can't be used? And therefore you are offering ODbL? ODbL restricts
usage trough.....?

Please explain futher :)

p.s. Steve, I am not against Cloudmade or license change, and I
understand problem. I just think it is not explained carefully again,
again and again. I know, it sucks, but that's the life. And I am
worried about mass imports who are done under CC-BY-SA.