[OSM-talk] OSM license change: A license to kill? -> How to make a nightmare come true!

[SteveC]

I think others have responded well to most of your rant, if not the  
please point it out and I'll respond.

On 3 Mar 2009, at 23:33, Ulf Lamping wrote:

> Hi!
>
> I'm not sure you're aware, but you're currently on the best way to  
> make
> the "license to kill" phrase come true!
>
>
> First of all: If you're not aware, it's all about trust. When I first
> uploaded data to OSM, I made sure about the license - so my effort
> wasn't only commercially consumed. This level of trust was not build  
> on
> any person known or the (at that time) not existing OSMF, but in the
> text of the CC-by-SA license.
>
>
> So let's get some facts straight!
>
> You want a license change for the OSM data. Fine, because there are  
> some
> real troubles with the license.
>
>
> However, the OSM mappers have done their part of the job to make the
> vision of OSM all come true. THEY have provided the real life in it -
> the data. Not only you or me itself, and not the lawyers involved.
>
> So if YOU want to change something it's YOUR duty to convince the  
> mappers!
>
> Simply saying "we're the OSMF board and we know what's good for you"  
> is
> a very, very bad idea to build trust! Remember: We're not talking  
> about
> a bot run to fix some tags, we're talking about the legal property of
> the people involved!
>
> Hopefully obvious, it's a much better idea to convince people than to
> force them to a "yes" / "no" decision.
>
>
> Hopefully you know and trust the lawyers, foundation, whoever, ...
> involved. WE PROBABLY DON'T KNOW THEM SO WHY SHOULD WE MAGICALLY TRUST
> THEM?!?
>
> There were NO!!! introduction of the players involved, no ideas how to
> build trust in the community ... (e.g. what's the relation to the OSI
> initiative?).
>
>
> All in all, I must say that the current way of handling these things  
> in
> this VERY SENSITIVE AREA is nothing but ridiculous!
>
>
> Regards, ULFL
>
> P.S: Steve's recent mail were not providing any new information except
> that laywers are expensive (BTW: I'm not in a hurry about a new  
> license) ...
>
>
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Best

Steve