[OSM-talk] shop=groceries?

Thomas Wood grand.edgemaster at gmail.com
Fri Oct 2 22:22:39 BST 2009

2009/10/2 MP <singularita at gmail.com>:
> I notices few days ago user farlokko changed many shop=groceries into
> shop=greengrocer worldwide.
> The changeset is http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/2562959

This has been noted on IRC, I think some reverted changes in their
area, but nobody got around to reverting the whole changeset.

> I think this change is wrong, at least for most nodes in czech
> republic - I know about nodes that I've added and only small part
> (perhaps one out of ten) of them are actually greengrocers, according
> to my knowledge. Most of them are ordinary grocery stores. Some of
> them even have no or very little selection of fruit and vegetables.
> The greengrocer is shop that sells fruits and vegetables (in czech
> language usually called "Ovoce a zelenina") and no other type of food
> - according to what is at
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dgreengrocer and what
> would the name suggest.


> The groceries (I found shop=groceries at rejected features, though it
> was widely used, JOSM has it in presets, etc ..) should be used for
> shops selling general food (not only fruit and vegetables), but that
> do not sell anything other than food (like shop=convenience) and are
> small (so shop=supermarked won't fit to them) - at least this is what
> I think. In czech these are called "Potraviny", or "Večerka" if they
> have closing time very late in night.

Again, I agree.

I have no idea why groceries should be in rejected features.
It seems it got sidelined there in the abandoned section in 2007.
There is no reason for it to be on the rejected page, indeed, if it is
widely used, why not just approve it due to precedence?
If it's used, and a default in the editors, it can hardly be rejected.
And what about the long standing shop=* definition?

> So the question is how to tag shops selling only food that are small?
> Should shop=groceries be used (and perhaps somehow added to map
> features or proposed features, or some other tag should be used?

Seems reasonable.

> And should that changeset that converted shop=groceries into
> shop=greengrocer be reverted?

The changeset in question broke data. It unilaterally changed the
definition of ~200 shops. It should be reverted.

Thomas Wood

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