[OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal

[Sam Vekemans]

+1
agreed, its like me dropping in CanVec data everywhere, and people
unaware of whats going on, might act in the offensive. And try to be
'helpful' and start drawing in more features as im copying them over.
(not knowing that the file is freely available).

I know a bit of Ireland (but not aware, and equally confused of the
road classification over there.) it took a couple days of cycling to
not turn the wrong way (just out of habbit) :).

For the local area mappers, i would recommend the reverse approach.
Assume that the user is 'just a newbie trying to be helpful'.
Has anyone invited this user to a mapping party?
Why not assume that the user is 10years old and just learning how to
hack for the first time? Or learning how to make a batch file. Don't
they teach that in basic computer programming class?

When we learn that 'its been done before" then its no longer fun. :()
for the people being destructive.  As everyone likes new things.

If a live person offers to help, the user quickly learns that we are
not a 'closed source' group, but a talented team of the worlds
greatest computer geniuses, cartographers, and simply the best
software developers there is.  ... and volunteers at that.

This is a tool for us brilliant minds to map the world.

Id say why bother being frustrated at what 1 person who doesn't know
what their doing?  Why not focus on clearly mapping the area with more
details all around?

We all know that the mapper is a human. .. and we all make mistakes.
When approached as a newbie mapper, you dont want to turn them off.
... just remember what it was like when you started.  I remember How
frustrating it was to learn all these details.  It's a whole new
paradigm thinking, let alone a new language.    When enough people
continue to approach it in a nice way, then that will turn off that
user who just is playing.   (it's hard to keep mad when everyone
around you is happy :-) ... if you want to stay mad, you need to leave
the room.)

But anyway, im noticing chat about brainstorming ideas of how to
quickly revert edits.

Brainstorming is good, as long as we keep focused on the goal of a
spiral going upwards to making a better wiki world map for the masses,
than spiral down and focus on the few who want to be destructive.

Happy mapping,
Sam Vekemans
Across Canada Trails

On 9/2/09, Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdreist at gmail.com> wrote:
> 2009/9/2 Peter Miller <peter.miller at itoworld.com>:
>> I spoke to members of the Data Working Group recently and it seems clear
>> to
>> me (and them) that dealing with vandalism is in general a community
>> problem,
>> not their problem. They are mainly about dealing with those situations
>> where
>> a legal response is required such as copyright violation or where an
>> official email might help.
>
> this sounds reasonable
>
>> Banning people is a possible last-resort,
>
> +1. Even if it might not be very powerful (just create another account
> and here you are again)
>
>> but
>> this does not deal with removing graffiti or spotting it in the first
>> place
>> which should be done by the community.
>
> +1
>
>> I believe that monitoring of graffiti (which this is)
>
> no, IMHO that's no more graffiti but it's removing the covers of
> manholes, maybe even poisoning the drinking water reserve ;-). It is
> too big to remove manually. If like throwing a lot of
> paint-cluster-bombs over wide areas. Think of 880 ways in Ireland:
> that's too much to ask the community to do it manually. Reverts at
> that scale (if they are really 100% useless or harmful) should be
> dealt with in a more professional way than hitting 880 times "h" in
> potlatch.
>
> Not everybody is able to run revert.pl like Richard suggested, that's
> why some members of the community started this thread: to ask the more
> experienced/enabled community members for help in doing so.
>
> cheers,
> Martin
>
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