[OSM-talk] When will bots be removed from history?

[Valent Turkovic]

On Sun, 04 Apr 2010 19:54:31 +0100, Shaun McDonald wrote:

> On 4 Apr 2010, at 17:57, Valent Turkovic wrote:
> 
>> On Sun, 28 Feb 2010 17:11:12 +0100, Polderrunner wrote:
>> 
>>> Why bother whether the changeset was created by a bot or not. Simply
>>> offer the user the choice not to display big changesets (say those
>>> covering more than 5 degrees in either latitude or longitude). That
>>> should get rid of most bot edits and other edits unlikely to touch
>>> your area of interest.
>>> 
>>> It could be implemented with a checkbox on the history page. Such a
>>> solution shouldn't need much extra CPU power.
>> 
>> As you can see there are lots of implementations that don't use much
>> CPU power, but there is still nothing implemented :(
> 
> 
> Who is saying that it doesn't take much CPU?
> 
> As one of the developers who knows the code, this is a hard problem.
> Firstly from a UI perspective. Secondly from a backend implementation
> perspective. As currently whether a changeset is big is determined on
> the fly before being output, and isn't something that is stored or
> calculated at the database level, it becomes really difficult to
> calculate the list of small/big traces, hence why it isn't implemented.
> Third, you'll also find that there are big changesets that contain
> changes in that area, so you may actually be interested in them.
> 
> 
>> Bots still make usage of history and monitoring for changes and also
>> vandalism monitoring impossible :(
> 
> I think you'll find that tools like ITO World's OSM Mapper would be a
> better fit for the problem that you are trying to solve.
> 
> 
>> Please, please, pretty please fix this.
> 
> When there is a good solution, it will be implanted. Until then, please
> use a tool that has been designed to the job.
> 
> Shaun

Itoworld has no tools that provide changes as does history of some ares 
in OSM. OSM history is superior tool for tracking changes but just needs 
little tweaks.

Have you read these previous messages:

"Wikipedia requires accounts used for automated editing to have a "bot
flag". This information is then used to add "B"s next to Bot edits in
history/watchlist/... and for a "Hide bots" filter in these lists.

Instead of making this a property of an account, we could also implement
bot flags for individual edits by attaching a bot=yes to the changeset."

and

"good idea! i just implemented a bot=yes tag for changeset of xybot and 
its brothers.
it's now the history-tab-programmers' turn to add a "hide bot edits" 
checkbox to the history tab and maybe the api.

cheers
   frank"



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