[OSM-talk] Let's prepare to Fork OSM to a CCBYSA 2.0 continuation

[Felix Hartmann]

  On 22.08.2010 12:58, Frederik Ramm wrote:
> Felix,
>
> Felix Hartmann wrote:
>> Instead of just moaning about the Odbl, let's stark working on a 
>> future without Odbl. So let's do our best to convince as many mappers 
>> as possible to not accept Odbl, reopen registration to people who 
>> want to contribute under CCBYSA2.0 terms, and put pressure on OSMF 
>> and others to tell them that if they decide to go the Odbl way, they 
>> will loose us and also be faced with a fork.
>
> I am all for people being constructive, so you have my support if you 
> want to create a fork, and I have no reason to tell people that they 
> should not support that. There are certainly good uses for a fork.
>
> However, you do not only want to create a fork but *also* do your best 
> to harm the rest of the project that goes along with ODbL. You say you 
> want to convince as many people as possible not to sign up to ODbL, in 
> order to cripple that effort, with the hope of in the end forcing 
> everyone to stick with your fork.
As I stated, my goal is to have OSM to continue under CCBYSA2.0 -  and I 
think this will workout best by showing the people that they do not have 
to blindly accept the new Odbl including the strange Contributor Terms. 
If there was a fair decision for the users, than the question would not 
be do you accept the new terms Yes or No, but which license do you 
prefer - (and which additional licenses would you accept to work with).

The current process is simply dictated by people that do everything to 
push through ODbL, in hoping that most users blindly accept without ever 
thinking about it!

It is clear that a fork makes only sense, if enough people participate 
in it, but the same is true for OSM under Odbl. If 80% of people wander 
of to work on the fork instead, than soon the remaining 20% of people 
will be faced to decide how they want to continue.

So yes, I do want to do my best to stop the ODbl by showing everyone 
that it is possible for us, to continue successfully using CCBYSA.
>
> These two aspects are separate - you could set up a fork *without* 
> doing anti-ODbL propaganda.
>
> I think this is unnecessary. Also, from discussions myself various 
> others had with you on the German forum, I still have the impression 
> that your opposition to ODbL is based on fear and uncertainty and not 
> on fact. I don't think you have understood (or are willing to 
> understand) the reasons for changing the license.
>
> (If you feel you need to discuss this further, please make sure to do 
> so on legal-talk and not here.)
>
> This is not a good starting position for a fork. I'd rather have 
> somone do it who doesn't do it out of blind protest and political 
> propaganda.
>
> Bye
> Frederik
>