[OSM-talk] Fwd: Nav4All navigation shut down by Navteq

Dave F. davefox at madasafish.com
Wed Feb 3 17:00:50 GMT 2010

Frederik Ramm wrote:
> Hi,
> Dave F. wrote:
>> Please take that in context with its following sentence. Can you show 
>> me a router that can get me door to door no matter where I live?
>> Or a search utility that returns no false-positives?
> Not with OSM, nor with any other dataset available for any amount of 
> money.
> OSM doesn't let you fly to the moon in 3 seconds either, one of the 
> many shortcomings that continue to disappoint me.
>>> I think the single most important reason why some ventures don't, 
>>> and will not, use OSM data is not the quality but the license. ODbL 
>>> or no ODbL.
>> Evidently this incorrect.
> This is getting out of hand, foundations-of-debating-logically-wise.
> Firstly, you cannot ever have evidence that it is incorrect when I say 
> "I think ...". Secondly, just because one or two or indeed "n" 
> examples exist where someone rejected our data because of quality, 
> this can never prove that there are not n+1 examples where someone 
> rejected our data for another reason.

And you can't prove the opposite!

Please don't use "I think..." as a caveat against criticism.

However, please, stick to the point of the thread: Lack of quality data 
& what can be done about it.

> I'm happy to indulge in endless debates but if I have to start 
> explaining the basics of logic then my patience is exhausted.
> Bye
> Frederik

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