[OSM-talk] [Candidacy] AGM Foundation 2010 - Girona

[Kate Chapman]

I don't think that you can just say if the strategic goal is to be a
mainstream map and other uses are distractions from this goal.  There
are plenty of people who do not have the goal of the mainstream map as
their main mission.  For example the time I spend working on things
for HOT, I'm not going to necessarily spend those hours mapping
addresses instead because I'm "wasting resources" by doing
humanitarian work.  Also the "niche" projects I think help the greater
goal, more people find out about the project and start participating.
What those new people map is up to them.

You can't really point most people towards a specific goal either,
people aren't going to stop mapping trees if that is what they are
interested in mapping.  Some people will participate in a project of
the week, but plenty of others will continue mapping whatever they
wanted to map in the first place.

Kate
user:Wonderchook

On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Oliver (skobbler)
<osm.oliver.kuehn at gmx.de> wrote:
>
>>> Some people might want to achieve a wider use for humanitarian
>>> projects. Then address referencing won't help and a license change
>>> won't change either. There needs to be common understanding of
>>> the vision where OSM is seen in five years from now.
>>
>>No, there doesn't.
>>
>>You're talking about it as if these things are mutually exclusive. They're
> not.
>>
>>OSM right now is the best map in the world for cycling _and_ the best map
> in the world for humanitarian >use.[1] This hasn't required a single focus
> on either; the focus comes because different people scratch >their own
> itches. I want to see a world where people drive less, so I map the National
> Cycle Network. >Many OSMers want to see help for Haiti, so they helped to
> map Port-au-Prince. And so on.
>
> It might be true that OSM is the best map in the world for cycling and the
> best map in the world for humanitarian use. If the higher goal of
> OpenStreetMap is to become the best map for cycling and the best map for
> humanitarian use I will not complain. I did not know that these are the
> strategic goals of OpenStreetMap. However, if the strategic goal is to
> become a mainstream map for example then the lack of focus will delay the
> achievement of this goal. I am not stating that these projects are mutual
> exclusive. I just say that the more projects there are, the longer it takes
> to achieve a specific goal.
>
>
>>You keep bringing up addressing because it's important for Skobbler (which,
> incidentally, I think is a >superb product). But that doesn't require me to
> stop mapping the NCN, or the HOT guys to stop mapping >Haiti. It certainly
> doesn't require that OSM settles on a strategy to concentrate on one of
> these three. >Rather, you - as the person who cares about it - simply need
> to build some good tools and JFDI.
>
> Thanks for the flowers ;-) The skobbler turn-by-turn navigation is a
> showcase projects. I has hit the top ten of the AppStore without having the
> addressing in OSM fixed. As the market for turn-by-turn navigation has been
> destroyed as the service has been made available for free by some large
> players it won't be the product that will decide about skobbler's company
> success. I say this because I am not repeating the address topic because of
> personal interest. I repeat it because I know that every single user is
> performing this confidence test of entering his home address in a search bar
> and sees what happens - just because that his the region he can judge the
> quality. I you are honest to yourself you see hardly anybody of your friends
> using OpenStreetMap as their primary online map despite its excellent level
> of map detail.
>
> My personal opinion is that the strengths of OpenStreetMap lies in the large
> decentral knowledge. And I think it would make more sense to steer some of
> this local power in a certain direction. I consider it a waste of resource
> if people map trees unless attributes with a wider use have been captured in
> this region. I am pretty sure that some of these people who map trees would
> be happy giving a hint what is important for the OpenStreetMap community and
> map other elements instead. And until nobody tells them what is important
> for the OpenStreetMap community they map what they think is right.
>
> Regards,
> Oliver
>
>
> --
> View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Candidacy-AGM-Foundation-2010-Girona-tp5244442p5253909.html
> Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at openstreetmap.org
> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
>