[OSM-talk] Tagging for street danger levels

[Richard Mann]

Paul - that sounds like a rendering issue, not a tagging issue. If you
want to render all streets as usable and all bikeways and footways as
unusble, feel free; the existing tagging is quite good enough for that
purpose.

But this isn't really the place for an extended discussion on the pros
and cons of bikeways.

Richard

On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Paul Houle <paul at ontology2.com> wrote:
> Liz wrote:
>>
>> Firstly I don't agree with your assessment.
>> Secondly, how will this assist with tagging streets unsuitable for cycling?
>>
>    The only kind of street that is "unsuitable for cycling" is a street
> on which it is illegal to ride bicycles (regardless of safety.)  A
> certain individual cyclist might not enjoy riding on a particular
> street,  because of their preferences,  but attempts to segregate
> cyclists into separate or different ways have proven to be dangerous,
> at least under American conditions.
>
>    I'd like to see some tagging that tells cyclists not to ride on
> sidewalks,  for instance:  as a pedestrian I've been involved in
> accidents where cyclists were ~illegally~ riding on a sidewalk and
> coming around a corner at high speed without looking where they are
> going.  I've also personally witnessed accidents where cyclists have
> been riding on sidewalks ~illegally~ and either ride their bikes into or
> get hit by cars.   Meanwhile there is a contingent of idiots in a city
> near me that are continuously complaining that the city is not "bicycle
> friendly" but that won't speak out about absurdly dangerous bicycling
> behaviors that go on all the time..  Even the bicycle cops in town are
> ignorant of the basics of bicycle safety.
>
>    There's a pretty extensive literature showing that bikeway systems
> (going back to San Luis Obispo in the 1970s) increase cycling fatalities
> (at least under American conditions):  you might as well open a hunting
> season on cyclists...  Anyway,  John Forrester
> (http://www.johnforester.com/) is a hardcore cyclist who makes a
> stronger case for this than I ever will,  particularly see
>
> http://www.johnforester.com/Articles/Facilities/TransQuart01.htm
>
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