[OSM-talk] Russians at it again

[Maarten Deen]

On Fri, 7 May 2010 11:56:43 +0400, Kirill Bestoujev <bestoujev at gmail.com>
wrote:
> There are no rules in OSM.

That is not entirely true.

> So my personal opinion is that we do have right to discuss anything we
> want about our country in out own language and you do not have any
> f*cking right to call it substandard.

You can decide what you yourself want to enter into OSM or not.
You can not decide for others what they can or can not enter into OSM.
You can not decide that it is illegal for others to enter certain
information into OSM.
You can not decide that it is legal to remove correct information from
OSM.

Apart from that: keep on mapping!

Regards,
Maarten

> 
> Kirill,
> from Russia.
> 
> 2010/5/7 Patrick Petschge <osm at petschge.de>:
>> Hi,
>>
>>> My personal opinion:
>>> Let them.
>> I respect your opinion but I don't think that it is a good idea. But
see
>> below for details.
>>
>>
>>> It is a good thing they are figuring out how to enjoy OpenStreetMap
>> without putting themselves at risk *and* in the mean time try to
prevent
>>  a total blockade of OpenStreetMap in Russia.
>> It is definitly good that they try to figure out how to map and use OSM
>> in Russia without putting themselves at risk.
>>
>> BUT that shouldn't mean that they get to descide unilaterally in a
>> language most people in OSM don't understand what can be mapped in
>> Russia.
>>
>> If they think it is too risky to map a military area fine. But they
have
>> no f*cking right to decide if I want to risk to map that area. If that
>> area exists and the "truth on the ground" shows that it is a military
>> area then it must be ok to add it to OSM.
>>
>> Why? Otherwise we'll loose all our data in China, North Korea and
>> probably several other countries within month. Do you really want
>> Americans to delete the map of Gunantanamo Bay? Do you want Chinese to
>> delete the border around Taiwan? Really really?
>>
>>
>>> People who cannot imagine how it is to have a government that has
>> "issues" in interpreting freedom of speech
>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech>, freedom of
conscience
>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_conscience>, freedom from fear
>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_from_fear> and freedom from want
>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_from_want> should not interfere
in
>>  this particular topic. It makes me sad that having the luxury of all
>> freedoms, seems to make some people incapable of understanding that
this
>>  is NOT (yet) a common privilige in other parts of the world..
>> I totally understand that mapping in Russia (or any other "substandard"
>> country) can be a huge risk. I totally understand if they don't want to
>> risk their live, freedom or happiness for five nodes in OSM. But that
>> doesn't give them the right to make rules about what can be mapped and
>> what not.
>>
>>
>> Patrick "Petschge" Kilian
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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