[OSM-talk] Error on boundaries + issues with Abkhazia/South Ossetia/disputed territories

[Kirill Bestoujev]

The question was discussed on the Russian osm-forum, we decided to
leave the borders as they are now, not to start a war of edits with
Georgian osmers, as Georgia does not recognize Abkhazia or South
Osetia as independet countries. I think it would be wise to leave it
as it is now not to create conflicts.

Kirill

2010/9/24 Tiziano D'Angelo <tiziano.dangelo �� gmail.com>:
> Hello everyone,
> I am new on this list, but active on talk-it since some time, so forgive me
> if this has been already discussed here...
> I've been looking at the Caucasus region in where I was recently and [1] I
> noticed some anomalies:
>
> - Azerbaijan border with Georgia, but it is not marked as country but region
> boundary [2] with tag: admin_level: 2 border_type: nation boundary:
> administrative left: country: GE name: International Border - Georgia -
> Azerbaijan right: country: AZ . Is it some error?
> - The administrative boundary between some regions and autonomous republics
> of North Caucasus was marked as country border [3] while it should be merely
> an administrative one
>
> - Depending on the points of view, the border Georgia / Abkhazia [4] now
> marked as an administrative can be marked as country border. For example,
> Kosovo is marked likewise (with a country border), although not recognized
> internationally by the majority of countries (36% of the total recognize it)
> and it isn't even listed on ISO-3166-1 / UN [5], as well as Abkhazia (4 UN
> member states recognize it).
> From a "de facto" point of view (and for some countries "de jure") Abkhazia
> is a fully independent state from Georgia (I noticed it personally while
> there) and as far as the Georgians say, it is no longer under Georgia's
> influence or control and it will be like that also in the future. What would
> you say to a cartographic point of view? from a tourist point of view, for
> example, it is a separate entity from Georgia (you pass a border control,
> there is a visa...), so a tourist-oriented map would logically draw it as a
> separate country.
> Generally speaking about any kind of disputed terriories, is there any way
> to keep both POV tagging boundaries as "Disputed" / "Recognized by Some
> states"/"something else"?
> Then, if we want to develop OSM in this country, it goes without saying that
> if locals will see the boundaries as they are now (as part of Georgia
> region, unrealistic and not corresponding to reality), they will never agree
> to use OSM! ... while it would be reasonable to use OSM extensively, since
> for example Google has no map of Abkhazia, and instead there's something
> already on OSM.
>
> - what is the standard for naming of places? What has to be put in name, in
> int_name tags? Which is the scale of priority? local language I suppose...
> so capital of Abkhazia, Sukhum, should be tagged as name=Аҟəа (local
> abkhazian name) name:ru=Сухум name:ka= სოხუმი , int_name=Sukhum; Sukhumi ;
> etc...
> Is there a way to simultaneously display multiple names (like Google Maps
> showing the name in Cyrillic and transliterated Russian or English version)?
> Thanks
>
> Cheers
> Tiziano
>
> [1] http://osm.org/go/zVFKP--
> [2] http://osm.org/go/zUWINC--
> [3] http://osm.org/go/zVSvI
> [4] http://osm.org/go/x@MCdp-
> [5]
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_Nations_Political_Boundaries
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