[OSM-talk] [OSM-legal-talk] License Change View on OSM Inspector

[Adam Hoyle]

Thank you all - I was looking at the Way, not the individual points, and it was obviously one that was there before I started mapping that I then edited.

Is the process for deciding whether or not to delete a node set in stone? I am fairly sure that I have moved the majority of those nodes from where they were originally (I am fairly sure because there was originally only 1 path on OSM going up the hill when there are 2 different paths on the ground), so surely if I moved them from their original position they can't be deleted just because the specific node id in the database was originated by someone else?? that's crazy - what's the logic behind that decision - shouldn't the check ensure that they are at least in the same place as the originator positioned them? Otherwise I can see a lot of senseless destruction and that makes me really quite sad.

Do I sound panicked? That might be because I am - it appears a *lot* of the footpaths and bridleways I've been editing over the last 3 years might be deleted. I will try to contact ngent, but to be honest I spend maybe an hour or two a week on OSM adding in walks I've done, so with all the good will in the world I don't realistically have the time to chase all of the original people who created nodes that are now potentially going to be deleted.

Help(?)

Adam

On 13 Dec 2011, at 18:45, Michael Collinson wrote:

> Hi Adam,
> 
> Yes, you have definitely accepted the new terms. You can check the UK list at http://odbl.de/great_britain.html
> 
> I opened the same location with the on-line Potlatch editor http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?lat=51.723507&lon=-0.812403&zoom=18
> 
> It looks like the way itself is yours (Nov 2009) but that you have used nodes made (May 2009) by an earlier contributor called ngent. He/she has not yet accepted the new terms.
> 
> I suggest that you send him a message saying that your edits depend on his work and would he kindly login to his account and accept.  He may think his contributions too small/old to be worth while.  I have done this several times in the UK and have good response. Alternatively, remap it if you have enough information to do so without just copying his work.
> 
> If this happens again and you  use Potlatch, you and anyone else in the same situation can do this:
> 
> - Select the way or node.
> - Hit the "t" key to get the "Advanced" view on the left-hand side.
> - At the top, you will now see something like "Node: 413600709 unsure"
> - Left click on that.
> - Thus opens a new window http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/413600709
> - You can then click on ngent's name and see he is "Contributor terms: Undecided " and send him a message. Thank him for the contribution and ask him to log in and accept as your contributions depend on his.
> -  (often there is more than one editor you will have to click on the View History link and find which user by by going through each one):
> 
> This is a pain to do for just one or two nodes, but as the same contributor may have edits in other places we should collectively get these red points minimised pretty quickly. Germany, UK and Spain are the worst at the moment.
> 
> Mike
> 
> On 13/12/2011 19:08, Adam Hoyle wrote:
>> 
>> Wow, that's scary, most of the major towns around where I live are going to cease to be.
>> 
>> Actually, I've just looked in more detail at some of the areas I've been editing, and think there is a bug somewhere.
>> 
>> For example (there are a lot more examples):
>> 
>> http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=wtfe&lon=-0.81228&lat=51.72366&zoom=17
>> 
>> Shows a path with red nodes, but I added that and no-one else has edited, and as far as I know I've signed the updated license thing. (I am 'atom oil' on openstreetmap.org). Also other paths around that are edited only by me and don't show up as red, so that's inconsistent at least.
>> 
>> Do I need to file this as a bug somewhere (can anyone point me where please?).
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Adam
>> 
>> On 13 Dec 2011, at 08:46, Frederik Ramm wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>>   apologies if this is the 2nd or 3rd time you're reading this, I have posted to dev and legal-talk yesterday in the hope that any major bugs could be ironed out before I announce this to a wider audience.
>>> 
>>> I have added a world-wide license change map to OSM Inspector:
>>> 
>>> http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=wtfe&lon=-1.80469&lat=35.88371&zoom=2
>>> 
>>> This is based on the per-object data I have on wtfe.gryph.de, combined with a current planet file. The view is updated nightly.
>>> 
>>> There's also statistics on the number of objects here:
>>> 
>>> http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/munin.html
>>> 
>>> And detailed information here:
>>> 
>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Remapping/License_Change_View_on_OSM_Inspector 
>>> 
>>> Bye
>>> Frederik
> 

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