[OSM-talk] Pitiful proceedings - as usual

[Mitja Kleider]

On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 01:40 -0700, NopMap wrote:
> Frederik Ramm wrote:
> > 
> > Well there was an announcement on 14th June on this list and others by 
> > Mike Collinson saying that "we intend to move to phase 4 this Sunday 
> > 19th June or as soon after as is technically practical".
> > 
> > For anyone who had already agreed, this date passed unnoticed. What 
> > exactly did you miss - would you have liked another email that said "ok, 
> > we've really implemented it now"?
> > 
> 
> Yes, exactly. As you properly quoted "or as soon..." makes this statement
> rather vague.
> 
> 
> Frederik Ramm wrote:
> > 
> > Given that the clear intent to switch to phase 4 on Sunday was widely 
> > published, was that not enough?
> > 
> 
> A clear no to this. "We intend to ... or maybe later" contains no statement
> about whether anything has happened.

This commit (tagged "live") is a clear statement:
http://git.openstreetmap.org/rails.git/commit/0a81411e68102cd8a755744bd4a1e2f6eafad549

I can see your point, but:
More communication means a lot of additional work and is not something I would expect from those who handle the other parts.


> What's more, there's also no hint on how to (not) proceed with re-mapping
> data, as you suggested yourself, which will probably make things worse real
> soon now.

Quoting
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2011-June/058727.html

Michael Collinson wrote:
> I would emphasise there is currently no need to remove data from the 
> live database since the license is still CC-BY-SA. I believe there is no 
> urgency to do so until acceptances have been maximised, local issues 
> that have a near term solution have been addressed and there is a sense 
> of community consensus that it is time.

I think "remove" is part of "re-map" and I agree we should wait "until acceptances have been maximised". Especially as it is not clear yet how to handle objects with mixed CC-only/CC+CT history.
That is kind of vague, but I would not want to be nailed down to any old guesstimated numbers later. Waiting until we feel that "it is time" is fine with me.


Mitja