[OSM-talk] #Occupy camps in OSM?

[ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen]

<executive resume>
One of the reasons OSM could distinguish from other maps, 
is being able to respond quickly to temporarily events.
</executive resume>

Currently OSM is boaring the same as Google, having the same data,
but less, and less accurate on a majority of places and
sometimes more on some other places. 
Good work done of the community (us) but uninteresting, for the masses.

Currently innovations based on OSM do not extend
beyond YAR (Yet Another Routeplanner) or YAFF (Yet
Another Friend Finder): that’s yesterdays innovation.

Currently only HOT adds real value to OSM.

I agree with Frederick (this time) that temporarily
data should not find a place in a permanent database.

To be able to stand out from the geo data masses, we should steer
away from copying the other mapmakers....we won't win anyway,
as we lack money, and scare away those who think instead
of click.

One direction Google and others do not have taken yet is
the possibility to include temporarily data.

OSM should find a  solution to be able to respond to
short time geographic events such as floodings, occupy camps
volcanic events, war, territorial disputes (Israel), earthquake
events (refugee camps), burning man etc etc, but also
for real short time events such as extreme weather areas's (blocked mountain roads, 
affected areas by hurricanes) and even cultural events 
(would be nice to include "Woodstock" as destination in YAR, taking
traffic jams and temporary parking areas into account).

I am also thinking about building sites, future geodata (to be realized 
constructions, roads or even complete city blocks.)


it's not that I need to community to enter that data
now, just try to enable our database for it, so 
we are ready to accept it.





Gert Gremmen
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Openstreetmap.nl  (alias: cetest)
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-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Frederik Ramm [mailto:frederik at remote.org] 
Verzonden: dinsdag 8 november 2011 0:59
Aan: talk at openstreetmap.org
Onderwerp: Re: [OSM-talk] #Occupy camps in OSM?

Hi,

On 11/08/2011 12:15 AM, Alan McConchie wrote:
> I figure we could use many of the same features that Burning Man
> uses, primarily tourism:camp_site, plus keys like start_date and
> end_date (if applicable).

I don't think that it is valid to use Burning Man as a precedent for 
mapping temporary structures generally. Burning Man is essentially a fun 
thing in the desert where, even when you map very creatively, nobody cares.

You are suggesting to tag, for example, a camp site in the middle of 
London where there clearly isn't one, and I expect that similar creative 
tag uses would follow (e.g. people would perhaps find it nice to tag a 
communal tent where people have beers in the evening as amenity=pub etc.)

This would clearly be a violation of the on-the-ground rule.

I think it is perfectly acceptable to map such camps when they are 
halfway stable (I wouldn't use end_date and instead simply delete the 
stuff when it's over - since you cannot know in advance when it will end).

However it is not acceptable to map a camp site or a pub or anything 
else where there is none just for the sake of having it show up on the 
default www.openstreetmap.org rendering.

Invent your own tags, and produce your own rendering.

Bye
Frederik

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