[OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] shameless copying: still going on !!

Hugo Holscher hugoholscher at gmail.com
Sat Aug 11 12:17:36 BST 2012

I had a look in the relevant changeset (10690450) and what you find is a huge amount of deleted nodes end roads, which have been replaced by new ones. Unfortunately are the original nodes and roads not visisble as the original maker has not agreed to the the ODBL and the RedactionBot has done its work. Even without the work of mr_Israel the nodes and roads would have disappeared.

With that this becomes a delicate legal discussion: Is deleting a set of data and replacing it with a new set (likely using the old data) conflicting with the original CC-by-SA license.
This does not mean I support copying, (I know how it feels, as my first OSM steps back in 2007 have mysteriously dissappeared), but before serious accusations of shameless copying are uttered, a solid investigation is required.
From: Floris Looijesteijn 
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 3:43 PM
To: ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen 
Cc: osmf-talk at openstreetmap.org ; talk at openstreetmap.org 
Subject: Re: [Osmf-talk] [OSM-talk] shameless copying: still going on !!

That's a bad thing. 
In case people want to have a look, it seems Gert means this for example:


Floris Looijesteijn

On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 3:10 PM, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen <g.gremmen at cetest.nl> wrote:

  Now the map cleaning phase has been completed (according to the message of the day in JOSM)

  Per today 8/9/2012 I still find most of my contributions that were contributed under

  the CC-BY-SA license in the new map, mostly simply cutted & pasted

  This time I focused on my contributions in Israel.

  Literally all of the unique features I added to the Israel map

  have been copied by a so-called Mr_Israel, including

  the home of my family, as the only building in a circle of a few kilometers around

  their home. It’s impossible that Mr_Israel choose this home by hazard

  and made the effort of re-survey himself.

  Same for the red walk I actually walked and surveyed myself with a GPS,

  it still in an unmodified version in the map, just the author changed.

  Same for the numerous fish farms I drew, and apparently are the only one

  in Israel according to Mr_Israel called Fish_farming in English.

  The rest of the hundreds of fish farms in only marked is only water.

  Same for the entire kibbutz Geva , all details I draw are still there, 

  including voluntary mistakes in introduced. No changes but the name of the author.

  Mr_israel even for the sake of making less efforts copied the Places name Geva

  and left the original source.

  On none of the modified data a new source such as BING or GPS survey

  is mentioned, so I keep it on shameless copying !!!!!

  If this is how the OSM community respects copyrights, then I have

  to fear for the rest of the map. 

  I declare the new map  still to be  CC-BY-SA and not ODBL

  Gert Gremmen


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