[OSM-talk] Examine nodes in new osm.org design fail

NopMap ekkehart at gmx.de
Mon Dec 9 17:17:49 UTC 2013


Hi!


Ian Dees wrote
> Thanks for sharing your opinion, but please refrain from posting sarcastic
> and overly dramatic stories like this. This message is not an appropriate
> way to communicate with the community.

Well, just take it as an indication that some changes can inspire emotional
responses in the unsuspecting user who encounters them. :-)


Ian Dees wrote
> If you want to have a discussion about the website, please stick to the
> facts and don't use unsubstantiated words like "royal pain", "what was
> wrong with the old way", "major regression", or "disaster".

Admittedly, those words may be overly dramatic, but they are also very
descriptive of the overall effect. Re-reading the other posts I noted that
the same problem has already been mentioned several times - but a "harder to
read" does not really describe the experience of trying to find a clue in 60
pages of multiply word wrapped texts that used to be simple one liners. You
may also note the other post which characterizes the history as "unusable
mess".

To stick to the facts:
- The old history page was far from perfect, but it did allow analysis of
the tag history and was well integrated in the object lookup
- The narrow and elongated presentation in the new design is unsuitable for
the amount of data involved with older, non-trivial objects
- the function used to be essential for "tag debugging"
- it is being missed

The best fix would be simply restoring the old feature as it has no
dependency whatsoever to the main map.

Another fix would be a rework including a button to use the whole screen for
viewing the data or linking to the real, usable history viewer and moving
the history button itself to the top of the object view where it can
actually be seen.

Current alternatives seem to be using JOSM or alternative web tools which
are more cumbersome as they are not integrated. Or hacking the OSM page with
a greasemonkey script or the stylish FF plugin.

I personally cannot fathom what may have inspired the current history. I am
somewhat ashamed about the message obviously unusable tools on the main page
might advertise about the practical approach of OSM.

bye, Nop





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