[OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Tagging Live indoor music venues

[Peter Wendorff]

Am 26.02.2013 13:17, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer:
> 2013/2/25 Peter Wendorff <wendorff at uni-paderborn.de>:
>> Some stadiums nowadays are built with multiple usages in mind, e.g. the
>> arena "Auf Schalke" of the German soccer club "Schalke 04". Mainly a soccer
>> stadium there have been events like Sensation White (Electro and House
>> music), concerts (Herbert Grönemeyer, Metallica, Slayer, Pur, Bruce
>> Springsteen, U2, AC/DC, Bon Jovi, Robbie Williams), operas (Aida, Carmen,
>> Turandot)
> Fine, but it remains a soccer stadium (or maybe multipurpose
> stadium/hall), the fact that there were some concerts doesn't make
> this a concert hall. It is quite common for big rock concerts to be in
> soccer stadiums.
But where's the border? In the following examples let all these 
facilities serve food and drinks.
- an event location that has daily concerts and opens only for these events.
- an event location that has daily concerts, but is open two hours 
before already and stays open for the rest of the night until everyone 
is gone.
- an event location that has daily concerts in the evening but is open 
for lunch guests and the like around
- a restaurant where occasionally life music is played by bands and so 
on (also known as "concerts")
- a restaurant where once in a year life music is played
- a restaurant where all music comes from CD or mp3
- a restaurant that's entirely silent

You may add arbitrary many steps in between - where's the point to 
switch from one to another, as the proposed scheme was to put both under 
amenity and therefore to conflict, you have to decide for one.

I would say, food & drinks and music are (at least) two different things 
that should be kept different and should not conflict if possible.
>> e.g. by using a very generic term (like
>> amenity=event_location) and several sub tags (like: concert_events=yes,
>> sport_events=regularly, theatre=yes, opera=no, parties=no, conferences=yes)
>> or something like that.
> -1, far too generic, it would be a huge step back. There is no point
> in having endlessly structures tagging like amenity=poi,
> poi:type:cultural=20%, poi:type:sports=80%,
> opera=rarely_but_only_the_popular_ones,
> parties=if_you_pay_enough_you_can_rent_almost_any_place, ... if it is
> a soccer stadium which already has its tagging.
Agreed for the super-tag, it's not necessary. But nevertheless the very 
big amenity bunch often is a problem.

To break it down one level, we could use "top level tags" for
- gastronomy (pub or bar serving drinks, restaurant, club as serving 
drinks, cafe, ice cafe),
- music (club as offering [live|dj|...] music floors), concert hall, ...
- events (trade fairs, conferences, concerts, circus, comedy, theatre, ...)

but
1) that's not perfect either
2) it does not solve the problem but just breaks it down to the next level.

regards
Peter