[OSM-talk] PD: what can I do with automatic changes done against code of conduct

jan zejer zejer1234 at wp.pl
Tue Apr 7 20:39:27 UTC 2015

Recently I sent following message to imports list. Given the fact I did not get any response and also, after some thought I am thinking it is more of general topic, I'd like to ask you for advice. What do you think about the problem?


Dnia Czwartek, 2 Kwietnia 2015 22:49 jan zejer  napisaƂ(a) 
> Hi,
> I'm not sure if this is a right place but I'll give it a try. I am having some problems regarding automated edits which affected my local area and I am not sure what can I do about it. Those are changesets which contain the edits:
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/29768605
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/29768572
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/29768527
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/29768413
> The changes are part of bigger initiative which affects whole country. The edits are about reformatting house numbers. In my opinion it doesn't really matter what are those changes really about (but I'll get back to this later), but how they were conducted (i.e. completely against Automated Edits code of conduct)
> I tried to investigate reason behind the changes and find its documentation, I could not find any. That's why I turned to my local community to point me to resources behind the edit:
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-pl/2015-April/001689.html (in Polish).
> "Thankfully" author of the changes took part in discussion. Basically he admitted that he acted against OSM rules (there is no discussion, no documentation of changes), but he justifies it by the fact he is doing right thing. Also, he claims that he is part of OSM since 2007 and if I don't like his changes I should find myself another mapping project (sic!).
> To sum this up:
>  - Automatic changes were done against OSM rules.
>  - Asking for explanation about it made me attacked by the author who instead of explain me politely his reasoning, attacked me.
>  - Author of the changes behaves like he is allowed to do more than other community members because he's been around since 2007.
> So my questions are: is community supposed to run like this? What can I do about it to fix it? Can I escalate this problem somewhere? Would it be ok if I reverted those changes?
> Back to the changes itself. Those changes are about removing spaces from addresses. Like "11 A" becomes "11A". In my opinion it is a bad change (people are using addresses with spaces, such addresses are being used in government issued documents). People taking part in discussion (started by me, after changes were conducted) are claiming this change is ok, because: 
> - wiki article (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Pl:Key:addr) says there should be no spaces (but there is no source (like discussion) of this statement)
> - one of Polish law acts indirectly states that *newly* created addresses should not have spaces in them 
> - some application from which addresses are sometimes imported to OSM does not allow spaces in house numbers.
> But as I said, it's not about change itself (but the way it was conducted). I am not sure whether I am right with spaces being in house numbers. What disturbed me is fact that I was treated rudely because I asked questions and I don't have 8 years of experience in OSM. Am I oversensitive or is there something wrong? 
> Jan


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