[OSM-talk] Preserving History ...

Tom MacWright tom at macwright.org
Tue Aug 25 15:29:18 UTC 2015


Hi Lester,

All of the resources you linked, you can improve!

* https://github.com/hotosm/learnosm
*
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Beginners%27_guide&action=edit
*
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Editing_Standards_and_Conventions&action=edit

You should fix these things, if you care about them.


On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 11:16 AM, Lester Caine <lester at lsces.co.uk> wrote:

> On 25/08/15 15:10, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> >> Because 'it's easier to delete and start
> >> > again' is encouraged rather than 'preserve the history of development'
> >> > where someone HAS already spent the time doing that in the past so
> much
> >> > is being lost!
> >
> > can you expand on this? Where are people encouraged to delete rather
> than refine? I've always thought we would actually be encouraging people to
> retain history
>
> We encourage new users to use iD ... The first button on the tool pallet
> when you click on a line is 'Delete' and there are not covering notes in
> the learnOSM guide to suggest that it should only be used when
> necessary. Actually the getting started guide just ploughs straight in
> to adding stuff without any reference to the etiquette of modifying what
> is there already. http://learnosm.org/en/
>
> Beginners Guide on the wiki
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Beginners%27_guide is even lighter on
> guidelines ...
>
> Editing Standards page
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Editing_Standards_and_Conventions
> only has a 'If you choose to delete and redraw a whole road, check that
> the nodes don't themselves have tag' which should perhaps be a 'please
> do not delete a whole road as previous information will be lost'.
>
> Checking in the help forum many of the questions that as 'why can't I
> delete xxx' make no mention of why that should be a last resort.
> https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/41329/cant-edit-or-delete-street
> is
> a typical example but there was no mention on NOT deleting it.
>
> Actually I have yet to find ANY advise that advises simply refining what
> is there?
>
> ( And I'm still trying to track down the history of the Tollbar A46
> route changes. Not sure if some if the history was redacted but I'm sure
> that these main roads were present ten years back. )
>
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