[OSM-talk] stop deleting abandoned railroads

Colin Smale colin.smale at xs4all.nl
Sat Aug 29 08:31:07 UTC 2015


 

This is your opinion, which you are seeking to impose on everybody.
Somewhat selectively it would appear, as you are not going to burn your
fingers on highway=proposed. I guess you will be deleting the HS2
(proposed UK high speed rail line) route as well, right? If you would
like to, you will find it here: 

http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1986960 

Go on, I dare you. 

On 2015-08-29 09:48, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: 

> On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 23:18:17 -0400
> Russ Nelson <nelson at crynwr.com> wrote:
> 
>> But what gives them the right to delete things that other people CAN
>> see and DO want to have in OSM?
> 
> Because mapping thoroughly destroyed objects that no longer exist (like
> rail lines where even earthworks are levelled and houses are built over
> place where railway used to be - something defended in this thread by
> some) is a dangerous precedent that would lead to a complete mess (like
> mapping destroyed and no longer existing objects and slapping end_date
> on them or mapping objects that never existed and pretending that
> putting start_date on them makes it OK).
> 
> Mapping proposed and potential (so not existing, unverifiable and
> likely to never appear) is already major problem in my region.
> 
> Adding to that objects that no longer exist is an extremely poor idea.
> 
> Therefore I will delete any object that no longer exists or never
> existed (after communication with mapper or other method to verify
> whatever I am mistaken, with exception of highway=proposed).
> 
> It is important to avoid treating mapping completely destroyed railways
> as OK - we already have terrible highway=proposed (mapped in some
> valid places and many where projects are pure political fiction or
> outright SF - like highway=proposed that used to be mapped across
> Boering Strait*).
> 
> * Yes, I deleted it. I am not OK with mapping "abandoned railroads" (as
> in "traces of it are present") but railways where only trace is
> presence on old documents should not be mapped.
> 
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