[OSM-talk] What's the point of the Wiki 'k=v' icon?

Dave F. davefox at madasafish.com
Sun Aug 30 09:34:43 UTC 2015

On 27/08/2015 11:13, Maarten Deen wrote:
> On 2015-08-27 11:21, Dave F. wrote:
>> On 26/08/2015 21:54, Andrew Hain wrote:
>>> Dave F. <davefox <at> madasafish.com> writes:
>>>> Hi
>>>> Bearing in mind the wiki is used more often by new OSM
>>> contributors &
>>>> therefore should be a clear & concise as possible, I'm curious why
>>> this
>>>> icon is so
>>>> prevalent:
>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/images/thumb/5/5f/Osm_element_tag.sv
>>> g/200px-Osm_element_tag.svg.png
>>>> There's no description of what it means or relates to. It refers
>>> purely
>>>> to 'behind the scenes' business. New users are interested in that.
>>> Even
>>>> if it were described, it would still be irrelevant as *all* tags
>>> are
>>>> based on a key=value format.
>>> The graphic is used when there isn’t a specific image to put in a
>>> tag value infobox, with a k= graphic for key descriptions. A “No
>>> image yet” graphic used to be used. The message is buried within the
>>> {{description}} template. Although there are some pages that could
>>> have pictures but don’t it doesn’t always make sense to have one.
>> If there's not a specific image, can't it just be ignored & start with
>> 'description' or whatever?
>> The k=v icons are irrelevant to people who edit the map.
> It is a placeholder image that probably the person making the first 
> page about a key/value combination made and got taken over in the 
> template and though that mechanism got so prominent in all tag pages. 
> Don't look for more behind it.

Unsure what you mean by that last comment.

I'm looking for either a valid reason to keep it & if there is none, 
remove it.

Poor/lazy wiki page design doesn't seem a valid one.

Neither is giving irrelevant, baffling info to newbies. We're meant to 
be encouraging people to join in, not turn them away.

> BTW: why are there two k=v images in the wiki? Some reconstructing 
> leads to the wiki page of this image at 
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Osm_element_tag.svg
> but there is also http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Mf_tag.svg
> The Mf_tag.svg image is used in pages where the key-value system is 
> explained, so the image is not unnecessary as such.
> But since Osm_element_tag.svg is more abundantly used, I propose to 
> change all occurences of Mf_tag.svg to Osm_element_tag.svg.
> Maarten
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