[OSM-talk] User WJtW - railway track counts

[Paul Johnson]

Not even sure how passenger_lines=* is even a tag given route=rail
relations...

On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 6:02 AM, Dave F. <davefox at madasafish.com> wrote:

> I'm unsure of the difference between passenger_lines=* & tracks=*.
>
> Reading the wiki page, it appears the writer is confused as well, stating
> in the last paragraph, that the 'passenger' bit is redundant as "all kinds
> of tracks connecting the same railway stations or junction should be
> counted with no regard to the train services running on it." & it's a
> "workaround" for tracks.
>
> Cheers
> Dave F.
>
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> On 07/10/2015 09:24, Richard Mann wrote:
>
> Putting tracks=1 on multiple parallel tracks is also potentially
> misleading. It's a method of tagging that's been superseded by drawing each
> line separately.
>
> So I took to adding passenger_lines=N, to avoid a compatability conflict.
> I only did N=1 or N>=4, though.
>
> I'd suggest converting the tagging to tracks=1+passenger_lines=2.
>
> Richard
>
> On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 8:40 AM, Maarten Deen <mdeen at xs4all.nl> wrote:
>
>> I have asked WJtW about this in june this year but received no answer.
>> Then I saw user BAGgeraar remove the tracks tag so I asked him about it and
>> he too asked WJtW and received no answer.
>> On the german forum there is a thread [1] about it also indicating it is
>> a superfluous tag when all tracks are mapped.
>>
>> It borders on vandalism.
>>
>> [1] <http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=30099>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Maarten
>>
>>
>> On 2015-10-07 09:20, Colin Smale wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> User WJtW[1] has been making large numbers of edits to railways across
>>> Europe in the past few months, all with the changeset comment
>>> "Electrified". Most of them are adding tags like gauge=1435 which may
>>> well be right (although I have no idea of his source for this).
>>> However on many occasions he has added tracks=N to the individual
>>> tracks where they are already mapped as N separate tracks. According
>>> to the wiki this should now be interpreted as N*N tracks. For example,
>>> the Channel Tunnel Rail Link south-east of London, is composed of two
>>> tracks (see [2] for a sample way). They are now both tagged with
>>> tracks=2, saying that each way represents 2 tracks, suggesting there
>>> are 4 in total, which is wrong.
>>>
>>> I have sent two messages explaining as above and requesting that they
>>> review this tagging, but no response so far. I noticed that another
>>> mapper has also added a comment to at least one changeset with the
>>> same intent.
>>>
>>> Any ideas how we can stop this behaviour, and repair the "damage"?
>>>
>>> //colin
>>>
>>> [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/WJtW
>>>
>>> [2] http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/34574683
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