[OSM-talk] Crowdfunding for OpenStreetMap in Bénin : 275km² high resolution satellite imagery for Cotonou by 1-May 2016!
nicolas.chavent at gmail.com
Thu Apr 28 08:08:54 UTC 2016
Hi Greg and all,
Greg, we are 100% in agreement (your text is below).
OSM Benin folks know their country, their OSM stuffs, their needs and the
support of the collective ProjetEOF did crowdsource (with success from
yesterda) for high res imagery over Cotonou
This allow to open a dialogue with Digital Globe wich hopefully may lead to
additional creative options for imagery delivery usable to enrich OSM.
Thanks for those who participated into this effort.
The overall is positive for OSM Benin and OSM tout court and in Cotonou
this will change the map, the community, and foster the opendata dynamic
through the production and release of OSM data.
Let's rejoy and for those adhering to the OSM Benin way, work collectively
into making Cotonou a nicely mapped city.
Folks from Mali, France already started to travel to Cotonou, others from
Niger, Burkina, Ivory Coast, Senegal and France are getting ready to hit
the road or board train and plane: we will be around 20 there for 3 weeks
working in a capacity building program around OSM, GIS (QGIS), webGIS
(uMap/Leaflet), Spatial Data Infrastructure (Georchestra), opendata,
humanitarian and development topics tied to organizationl skills and
techniques. We will be working with OSM Benin partners in the tech scene,
Academic, Local/Central Government, NGOs, Red Cross, journalists and Civil
Details on this mission blog post (1,2), more updates (including English
versions) to follow on this account and social media. On twitter, stay
tuned to @OSMBenin, @ProjetEOF, #map4bj, #ProjetEOF).
> nicolas chavent wrote
> There is a local OSM group active in Benin since mid 2013,
> This group is skilled they got trained via (capacity building missions run
> by the collective Projet EOF) and had been always self training and
> their skills, growing their community and training Academic, Benin Red
> Volunteers, Civil workers from local government, folks from the local tech
> scene etc...
> This group has a few equipments at hand,
> They share a co-working space (Blolab) in Cotonou with other tech actors,
> They have been active in their country (several places and various mapping
> project) and in Western Africa through regional 3 to 4 weeks long capacity
> building missions involving a lot of field and remote mapping work
> They operate mostly on a voluntary basis with low means and they grow
> map and their community.
> They decided to crowdfund for these 275km2 high res imagery in Cotonou
> because this has been blocking them and that a few additional GPS Units
> not make the difference, but this imagery will do!
I don't see what the problem is. Bénin mappers have already
performed an analysis of the problem. I don't see why they cannot
proceed. If Digital Globe, MapBox or any other organization what to
contribute to the Bénin project, then then that is even better. The
Bénin mappers are very savvy. They have used a crowd funding site to
freely advertise their efforts and perhaps receive direct
contributions. Well then, it might be smart for Digital Globe,
Mapbox, or another organization to setup a crowdfunding section of
their websites. A 501C section of the said firms could collect money
to fund some of these efforts without the overhead of crowd funding
sites. The reward would be great publicity. More that likely, there
still will be costs that cannot be absorbed by goodwill alone.
On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 8:55 AM, Greg Morgan <dr.kludge.gm at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Simon Poole <simon at poole.ch> wrote:
> > I'm slightly taken back by the number of people wanting to jump in and
> > make decisions for a local community on a topic that has little bearing
> > outside of their region.
> > Simon
> This is one of the most positive things that I've heard you say about
> a local community deciding what to do! Thank you.
> The problem I have with both Christoph and Frederick statements from
> Germany are that the comments have a feeling of not invented here and
> more imperialism. There is a smack of what's good for Germany is good
> for everyone local mapping group out there. Germany is about the size
> of Montana USA. Germany has a population of about 89 million people.
> Montana has a population of around one million people. Arm chair
> mapping is perfectly good solution in this and many other cases. The
> whole meetup/pub mapping event just won't scale in areas like Montana.
> I laugh when you want me to run out and GPS every node that I put on
> the map where map density isn't there like in Germany. Moreover,
> there's this idea that consumer grade GPS devices are so much more
> accurate compared to imagery. What I have now is a _useful_ map using
> all these tools regardless of their perceived accuracy. Any way or
> idea that builds upon the existing useful map is a great idea.
> What I find interesting is that at least one of links shows Bénin
> mappers using paper and pencil survey work. It sounds like they want
> better imagery to complement paper survey work with arm chair mapping.
> Both types of mapping complement each other. In both cases, errors
> can be introduced into the map. So what. We are an Open Source
> project with the idea of "release early and release often". In
> addition, OSM has a wonderful complement of tools to help correct any
> When I read stories like this from MapBox...
> "...And when we can make it better, we flag the area as a priority
> collect. This creates a system where developers using the map SDK will
> get the most updated imagery specifically where their users need it.
> ...I get it. MapBox is company that has to serve priority markets.
> However, if all the the developers are in rich urban areas of the
> world, then other areas may not see new imagery. MapBox needs to pay
> the bills to keep the lights on. MapBox may not be the solution in
> this case.
> >John, Ulule does not charge 40%, the fees reasonably amount to 7 or 8%,
> that's a notable difference.
> >If I donate $100 to a charity the net cost to me is $60 and $100 is more
> or less available at the end.
> > If I donate $60 to the crowdsourcing then $55 arrives at the end. So if
> we can get creative with a charity
> > the money goes further. Different western countries have different
> rules but basically if it can be channeled
> > through a charity more cash ends up on the ground.
> So don't contribute to the crowdfunding effort. Many businesses will
> take something that was purchased for $50 and sell it for $100. They
> have to cover overhead and make a profit to stay in business. A loss
> of $5 to overhead for $60 dollars sounds like a very efficient method
> to channel funds to where it is needed. For example, I don't donate
> to Unicef. I used to go around and collect pennies for that group when
> I was young. It was disturbing to find out that only one US cent of
> each dollar actually made it to the children in need. I don't know if
> they improved their record from those days but in my case the damage
> was done. The crowd funding example that has been cited is not the
> same kind-of overhead.
> > nicolas chavent wrote
> > There is a local OSM group active in Benin since mid 2013,
> > This group is skilled they got trained via (capacity building missions
> > by the collective Projet EOF) and had been always self training and
> > their skills, growing their community and training Academic, Benin Red
> > Volunteers, Civil workers from local government, folks from the local
> > scene etc...
> > This group has a few equipments at hand,
> > They share a co-working space (Blolab) in Cotonou with other tech actors,
> > They have been active in their country (several places and various
> > project) and in Western Africa through regional 3 to 4 weeks long
> > building missions involving a lot of field and remote mapping work
> > They operate mostly on a voluntary basis with low means and they grow
> > map and their community.
> > They decided to crowdfund for these 275km2 high res imagery in Cotonou
> > because this has been blocking them and that a few additional GPS Units
> > not make the difference, but this imagery will do!
> I don't see what the problem is. Bénin mappers have already
> performed an analysis of the problem. I don't see why they cannot
> proceed. If Digital Globe, MapBox or any other organization what to
> contribute to the Bénin project, then then that is even better. The
> Bénin mappers are very savvy. They have used a crowd funding site to
> freely advertise their efforts and perhaps receive direct
> contributions. Well then, it might be smart for Digital Globe,
> Mapbox, or another organization to setup a crowdfunding section of
> their websites. A 501C section of the said firms could collect money
> to fund some of these efforts without the overhead of crowd funding
> sites. The reward would be great publicity. More that likely, there
> still will be costs that cannot be absorbed by goodwill alone.
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