[OSM-talk] What is 'Attic Data'? or 'Why can't wiki writers use plain language'.

[Dave F]

That's great I suppose, but wouldn't using simple language in wikis be 
much easier?

Also, your page isn't linked from anywhere. which is half the point of 
hyperlinked wiki pages?

Dave F.


On 07/02/2016 15:24, Martijn van Exel wrote:
>
> There is now a wiki page. I initially added the content of Roland's 
> email.
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attic_Data
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 7, 2016, 3:02 AM malenki <osm_ at malenki.ch 
> <mailto:osm_ at malenki.ch>> wrote:
>
>     On Wed, 03 Feb 2016 22:06:32 +0000,
>     Dave F wrote:
>
>     > So often I'm put off from delving further into OSM & its uses by the
>     > confusing nature of it's wiki pages.
>     >
>     > A simple example:
>     >
>     >
>     http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Overpass_API/Overpass_QL#Attic_data_.28.22date.22.29
>     >
>     > Why is it headed as 'Attic Data'?
>
>     Obviously because the developer named the feature "Attic Data".
>
>     > Why is there no explanation of it's meaning? After too much time
>     > using google I find it means old information. Why not say that?
>     > Wouldn't 'historical snapshot' be a bit clearer?
>
>     A year ago I would liked to have found an explanation of "Attic
>     Data" too, since the average OSM user knows it from the OSM website as
>     "history" or "chronic" (German). If the term "history" would at least
>     have been placed near "Attic Data" I would have found it by full text
>     searching the wiki page.
>     I was unable to connect "OSM history" and "Attic Data", even with
>     using
>     search engines. I had to ask on IRC and as I was told I was
>     looking for
>     "Attic Data" I thought 'WTF! what a stupid name! Nobody ever will find
>     that in the wiki'
>     I've added an explanation by now; hopefully it will be considered
>     helpful:
>     http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Overpass_API/Overpass_QL&diff=1270275&oldid=1262567
>
>     Why didn't you do it? :)
>
>     > Please remember wiki/help pages are mainly read by inexperienced
>     > users
>
>     Define the "inexperienced user", please.
>
>     I am nearly totally inexperienced in programming but even JOSM has
>     a built-in interface to query the Overpass API.
>     With overpass turbo and its wizard you need very little experience of
>     whatsoever to create a successful query.
>
>     >who aren't fully aware of all the latest hip language (that
>     > often goes out of fashion 6 months later).
>
>     Well, since this is a name of a feature of a wide- and heavily used
>     tool I doubt that it is part of a fashion hipster language.
>
>     > Please keep all wiki pages plain & simple.
>
>     You can help doing this, too.
>
>     hth
>     Thomas
>
>
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