[OSM-talk] Disputed border between Greece and Turkey near Imia/Kardak in the Aegean Sea (was: Re: [Geocoding] Boundries of Kardak Islands)

David Marchal penegal at live.fr
Fri Mar 31 04:39:05 UTC 2017

If I correctly remember, in such cases, both point of views should be used; in this case, two boundary segments should be dragged: one including the islets with Greece, and the other one including them with Turkey.

It has already been the case: for instance, the matter of the France-Italia border around the Mont-Blanc has never been truly solved: French maps says the summit is completely French, while Italian ones says the border crosses the summit. Even if the border, while unclear, is not really disputed, as both countries merely let it pass, the OSM management for such segment of border is that both point of views are displayed.

Anyway, as, in your case, the border is actively disputed, we should draw both; I understand that, as a Turk, you could not like that, but OSM must look beyond such disputes.


Le 30 mars 2017 à 21:41, Florian Schäfer <florian at schaeferban.de<mailto:florian at schaeferban.de>> a écrit :

Dear İlhami Özer,

These borders are disputed and the island is claimed by both Greece and Turkey.

There was a recent incident near the island in January: "A Turkish navy missile boat accompanied with two special-forces speedboats entered the area around the islets on 29 January 2017. According to the statement issued by the Defence Ministry of Greece, they were blocked and warned by Greek coast guard vessels and withdrew from the area after about seven minutes. The Turkish armed forces denied that the ships were blocked but did not otherwise deny the incident; they stated that the mission was a part of an inspection of the Aksaz Naval Base by chief of General Staff Hulusi Akar, who was on board at the time." (Source: Wikipedia article about the island<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imia/Kardak#2016_and_2017_tensions>)

You (I assume it's you, because of the similarity of your username<https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/iloz> and your real name and the proximity of time to your e-mail to the list) now changed the borders to reflect your point of view in this changeset yesterday: https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/47194531 .

I'm not an expert on borders and how disputed borders are handled in OSM, so I forward this to the talk-list, because this probably needs more discussion.


Am 27.03.2017 um 10:36 schrieb ilhami özer:
Dear Openstreetmap valuable workers,

This situation is really important for us. The two islands are within bounderies of Turkey Republic. As you can see on the image which we sent attachment these two islands out of boundries of Turkey on your tile images. We did necessary changes on feature parts. Please can you make these changes on your basemap.

Kindly request.

İlhami ÖZER
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