[OSM-talk] A thought on bot edits

Simon Poole simon at poole.ch
Mon Oct 2 15:09:10 UTC 2017


I would suggest simply adapting my old suggestion (for imports) that as long as you fix the same number of elements from a broken import you can bot edit/import to your hearts desire.

Totally serious :-)

Simon

On 2. Oktober 2017 16:58:02 MESZ, Christoph Hormann <osm at imagico.de> wrote:
>On Monday 02 October 2017, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
>>
>> yes, keeping a lot of additional tags for a huge amount of objects in
>> the main db would still be a burden on everyone working with the
>> planet file or geographic extracts, so it seems logical to
>> externalize the bot-tags. But how would you link one db to the other?
>> If people don't see those tags (or only by request), their edits will
>> erode the information in this external db (e.g. by splitting ways,
>> deleting and redrawing parts, combining ways, etc.). What about
>> versions, will there be different versions of the same object in the
>> main db and this bot db? Is this a serious suggestion or just another
>> way of saying there are too many automated activities going on?
>
>It is a serious idea although i don't seriously expect this to be 
>implemented any time soon.  Less for technical reasons as you mentioned
>
>but for social reasons.  A huge part of the interest in making bot 
>edits stems from the idea to have the OSM community as cheap labour to 
>clean up after the bots and if you remove that incentive a lot of 
>motivation for making bot edits vanishes.
>
>Linking a separate bot editing database to the main OSM database is not
>
>that difficult in principle as long as we are only talking about tag 
>modifications on the bot side.  You would simply have a separate and 
>separately versioned 'bot tags' object for every object that has bot 
>tags.  Of course if bots should also be able to make geometry edits you
>
>would need rules for that - like bots may only edit geometries that 
>have no tag starting with something other than 'bot:' and that are not 
>member of a way or relation with tags other than 'bot:*'.  This would 
>then essentially mean any geometry edits by bots stay within the bot 
>database which would make things easier (you would have a 'bot tags' 
>table plus supplemental bot only geometries tables).
>
>That is of course all theoretical.  The more likely scenarios what will
>
>happen if bot editing activities spread even further are probably
>
>a) That more and more craft mappers get fed up with bots messing with 
>their work and manual editing activity declines overall -> OSM transits
>
>into a primarily bot maintained database.
>b) The craft mappers get fed up with the bots and decide to separate
>out 
>their work instead of that of the bots in form of some protection 
>(could be as simple as adding a 'bot=no' tag to features allowing 
>mappers to indicate 'bots may not touch this object i have just 
>mapped').
>
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