[OSM-talk] New OSM Quick-Fix service

[Dave F]

Hi
"this tool has nothing to do with Wikidata"

"Currently, the tool creates two changeset tags:
  created_by=OSM+Wikidata 0.1"

Am I confused by what you mean by "this tool"?

DaveF

On 15/10/2017 13:04, Yuri Astrakhan wrote:
> Andu, with all due respect, you are misrepresenting things.  I have 
> received praises on OSM-RU channel, and that's where I got my first 
> bug reports and suggestions that were quickly fixed.  The current 
> mailing thread also received a praise from Steve. I have received a 
> private email explicitly praising this tool, some twitter feedback, 
> plus, some general encouragements for my efforts. So, despite some 
> vocal people on one side of the issue, claiming to represent "the 
> community" is not accurate, as others have expressed opposing views.  
> Thus, it is not as uniform as you try to portray it, but rather, as 
> any other conflict, deserves a thoughtful approach to attempt to 
> balance goals of everyone, and to find a valuable compromise.
>
> At the same time, judging from the fact that someone did not feel 
> comfortable emailing to the group, there seems to be significant 
> toxicity and bullying going on.  There was a number of personal 
> attacks, which to me seems to be a violation of our communication 
> policies, and which I deliberately ignore. So no, I see some people in 
> the community may support it, but do not want to participate in such a 
> violent discussion. When someone is foaming at the mouth, people tend 
> to stay away, rather than engage in a constructive discussion.
>
> Luckily, there has been some valuable feedback too, and I hope our 
> community will be mature enough to provide more broadly.  For example, 
> Simon was very clear and explicit about the exact deficiencies he 
> objected to - something that I attempted to rectify, and will continue 
> to improve on.  Some other remarks, despite being presented in a bad 
> form, lead me to more good fixes such as a mandatory high zoom before 
> editing. I am clearly continuing to participate in the discussion, and 
> try to abstain from discussing PEOPLE, but instead concentrate on a 
> specific IDEA being presented in this thread, and the specific 
> PROBLEMS it tries to solve. As a volunteer. Without any financial 
> benefit from anything I do. Same as many other participants on this 
> channel, regardless of their views. Trying to maneuver between the 
> abstract philosophy, various believes of what is the "right thing to 
> do", and the specific problems and solutions.
>
> P.S. @mmd, sorry for not replying earlier. I suspect you meant it as 
> an "ad absurdum" argument. Thing is, Wikidata does use wiki pages to 
> store bot states. Mostly bots generate various talk pages and 
> templates, and users sometimes modify those talk pages to control the 
> bots. Yet, this tool has nothing to do with Wikidata, so it is a moot 
> point to discuss storing OSM metadata there. See my reply about the 
> "nobot" tag. I think it would help to partially heal the bot-nobot 
> divide, as it gives control over each object to editors, and allows 
> mini-bots.
>
> And one last thing.  Something that has helped me many times to find 
> COMPROMISE in a forum discussion. When replying, let's try to sum up 
> the opponent's position and the reasons for that position, and explain 
> why you think it is incorrect. Perhaps we should learn from the high 
> school debate class? Sorry for the long email.
>


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