[OSM-talk] Could we just pause any wikidata edits for a month or two?

[Steve Doerr]

On 24/10/2017 18:07, Yuri Astrakhan wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 11:19 AM, Tomas Straupis 
> <tomasstraupis at gmail.com <mailto:tomasstraupis at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     2017-10-24 15:56 GMT+03:00 Ryszard Mikke wrote:
>     > Why, in this case is it better to have Wikipedia links in OSM
>     point to
>     > disambiguation page instead of link Hillfort 1 in OSM to
>     Hillfort 1 in
>     > Wikipedia, link Hillfort 2 accordingly and fix Wikipedia doubts in
>     > Wikipedia?
>
>       So that the case is not forgotten and fixed properly (i.e. ALL tags
>     fixed) by people who know how to do it, not by those who are doing
>     guesswork and just silencing the "qa" script. 
>
>       But in general all automated guess-edits are reverted for the time
>     being because it was clearly stated they are unhelpful and so
>     unwanted.
>
>
> Tomas, I do agree that there should not be an automatic script setting 
> tags based on a heuristic. But what you are saying is very strange if 
> I understood you correctly. What I read here is that the only people 
> allowed to fix things are those that know ALL tags and their meaning. 
> This goes counter to the common sense (nobody knows all 65000+ tags), 
> and counter to the existing warnings, such as JOSM's validator "when 
> in doubt, ignore them".  You can never have a person who knows 
> everything about both - the place and OSM tags.
>
> There are two axis of editing:  local knowledge and OSM knowledge. 
> They are orthogonal - I could be a tagging expert, but not know the 
> area, or a novice editor with the expert local knowledge.  
> Additionally, "local knowledge" very rapidly decays as you move away 
> from where you live - another street, neighborhood, city, state, 
> country, continent.  If I see a problem, I can reasonably research the 
> topic, gain knowledge, and fix the problems in my area of expertise. 
> Of course someone who lives in the incorrectly tagged building, and 
> happens to be an expert OSM editor would be ideal, but sorry, no such 
> luck.
>
> In most cases, the editors who decide to help will make data better. 
> It might not be perfect, but it is better than before.  When you say 
> you will revert things despite making data worse, just because you 
> disagree with HOW the problem was found, and not on the basis of 
> decreasing data quality, you go against the very idea of a common sense.
>
> There is only one reasonable approach to editing - data should be in a 
> better shape after you than before.  More accurate. More complete.  
> Please don't make assumptions that the data has gotten worse just 
> because you disagree that there should be a qa script - after all, you 
> are using them yourself, and no one is reverting all your work based 
> on that.
>

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