[OSM-talk] Software configuration | Re: iD influencing tagging

Tigerfell tigerfell-688 at tuta.io
Thu Apr 11 12:16:19 UTC 2019

I am pretty sure you can protect data items.

The cited template is transcluded into more than 380,000 pages. The most often transcluded template in the OSM wiki is used on about 78,000 pages. I do not think that a full protection was considered necessary, because we wanted to keep the wiki open and I can not recall an incident yet.

Of course we can discuss about locking everything down that could cause problems, but that would oppose the idea of an openly editable OpenStreetMap and it would be hard to explain that the docs are protected while everyone can just delete some area in the map.

I think the general move of Yuri is right (generalising and opening the machine readable docs for the community) and I appreciate that. Doing so also prevents accusations against developers as discussed initially.


Apr. 11, 2019, 11:30 a.m. by mark+osm at carnildo.com:

> On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 03:17:27 -0400
> Yuri Astrakhan <> yuriastrakhan at gmail.com <mailto:yuriastrakhan at gmail.com>> > wrote:
>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 2:10 AM Mateusz Konieczny
>> <>> matkoniecz at tutanota.com <mailto:matkoniecz at tutanota.com>>> > wrote:
>> > * easy to edit by community
>> >
>> > I am dubious whatever "anybody can
>> > edit any preset stored as wikidata
>> > items" will be considered as benefit
>> > 
>> One could also doubt that allowing direct OSM and Wikipedia edits by
>> anyone would be considered as a benefit... But it does, doesn't it?
>> Worst case scenario: someone breaks a preset - with so many eyes on
>> them (exposed via wiki pages, used by all editors, monitored via
>> numerous tools, cross-checked by validation queries, etc etc etc), it
>> will be fixed within minutes.
> Wikipedia is a good comparison, but not in the way you intended it.
> Wikipedia has special permissions for changing widely-used
> templates or the website interface itself: the "template editor" and
> "interface administrator" permissions.  An ordinary editor can only
> mess up one article at a time, while a template editor can mess up a
> half-million articles in a single go, and an interface administrator
> can vandalize every page on Wikipedia at once.
> If someone breaks the preset for something like "building=yes", then
> sure, it'll be spotted and fixed in a matter of minutes.  But in the
> meantime, there'll be hundreds of mis-tagged buildings, many of them in
> places that nobody will review for years.
> -- 
> Mark
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