[OSM-talk] Isn't it nice to share? 🙂 | Re: Facebook mapping highways using AI in collaboration with OpenStreetMap

[Joseph Eisenberg]

Facebook probably shouldn't import all of their POIs directly into
OSM. I understand that this could cause problems.

But they could make available all sorts of useful data, including a
separate overlay or service that allowed us to see where facebook POIs
are located, and manually import them into OSM if they are correct.

I believe that also record your GPS coordinates while using the app in
many cases, such as when taking photos. They could make these GPS
traces available, like Strava does - quite helpful for finding missing
path connections, and also helps show when a street a closed.

They could allow their users to choose to automatically upload photos
of businesses and street scenes under a suitable license to a
Mapillary-like site that could be used for mapping.

They could share data that suggest that POIs no longer exist; such as
a facebook user clicking a note that says "this place is permanently
closed" or "doesn't exist" and we could use that like a note or fixme.
I believe these sort of prompts are already automatically suggested
when the app sees you are at a POI, as are things questions about
additional features (free parking? free wifi, etc?) which could be
useful information for us.

None of these options for share-alike would be clearly good for
short-term shareholder value, but they would be quite helpful for
mappers in OSM, and wouldn't require a massive import.

Joseph

On 8/2/19, Marc Gemis <marc.gemis at gmail.com> wrote:
> This "self appointed police of OSM" will probably question
>
> - how did those companies receive the data, under which copyright?
> - how did they geocode the POIs, using Google's geocoder ? (a big no-no)
> - how up-to-date is this data ? Will you reimport POIs that have been
> rightfully removed in OSM ?
> - how will you avoid duplicates ?
>
> all legitimate question imho.
>
> p.s. people that keep blaming the mailing lists for bad behaviour,
> really make me wonder why I keep contributing to OSM (mailing list).
> Did you ever wonder that this type of constant nagging might turn off
> well-meaning people as much as the people you point at turn off you?
>
> On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 9:00 AM Blake Girardot <bgirardot at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 8:00 AM Rory McCann <rory at technomancy.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Oh yes, there's nothing wrong with Facebook (and Yelp, and TripAdvisor
>>> and and) having their own PoI database. But, they _could_ help us,
>>> massively, by sharing it. They way they talk about OSM, you'd swear they
>>> were already doing all they could to help us.
>>>
>>> But it's naive to think they ever will. Nothing wrong with that,
>>> shareholder value and all that.
>>>
>>
>> Hi Rory,
>>
>> Respectfully, it is naive to think that even if they did offer their POI
>> databases, the self appointed police of OSM would allow the POIs to be
>> added to OSM.
>>
>> Truthfully, it is naive to think that any mapping or data that is not
>> contributed just the way the few vocal folks who monopolize these OSM
>> lists like, will be accepted.
>>
>> There really is no way to win with these folks, offer a lot and they
>> accuse the contributor of trying to take over and/or destroying OSM, offer
>> too little and they accuse the users of taking advantage of OSM.
>>
>> Best to just do like most folks who are interested in using and
>> contributing to OSM do - unsubscribe from these lists and carry on.
>>
>> cheers,
>> Blake
>>
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