[OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Attribution guideline status update
Mateusz Konieczny
matkoniecz at tutanota.com
Sun Dec 29 03:13:00 UTC 2019
In your case they went with lying strategy,
in case of my report they simply failed to respond since January 2019.
It is about map on Mapbox own site. There is space for a big Mapbox logo,
OSM attribution is not displayed.
And on large monitors attribution is still not sufficient to cover
"reasonably calculated to make any Person that (...) view (...) aware that
Content was obtained from the Database (...) and that it is available under this License.
(section 4.3 of the Open Database License <https://www.opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/1.0/> used by OpenStreetMap)
See more info at
https://github.com/matkoniecz/illegal-use-of-OpenStreetMap/blob/master/Mapbox/Mapbox.md#mapbox
29 Dec 2019, 02:48 by nunocapelocaldeira at gmail.com:
> mapbox just replied to my ACCIONA Mobility report. the response is unbelievable.
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> "> Hi Nuno,
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> There are some maps that use proprietary data instead of OSM. There are also some customers who have white-labeled in which they don't have to provide some attributions. Unfortunately, we cannot share other customers details here.
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> If you believe they are violating the OSM or Mapbox attribution, do you mind sharing with me about how you have come with that conclusion?"
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> obviously unless mapbox can explain me how they have my OpenStreetMap contributions, even the trap streets I would love to hear.
> thank god we have a corporate member of OSMF replying like this.. shame, just SHAME!
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> On Fri, 27 Dec 2019, 23:37 Phil Wyatt, <> phil at wyatt-family.com> > wrote:
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>> HI Folks,
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>> I also generally point folks at this page which is pretty specific (if they are using Mapbox tiles)
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>> https://docs.mapbox.com/help/how-mapbox-works/attribution/
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>> Cheers - Phil
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>> From:>> Nuno Caldeira <>> nunocapelocaldeira at gmail.com>> >
>> Sent:>> Saturday, 28 December 2019 9:00 AM
>> To:>> · Michael Medina <>> recycleoregon at gmail.com>> >
>> Cc:>> OpenStreetMap talk mailing list <>> talk at openstreetmap.org>> >
>> Subject:>> Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Attribution guideline status update
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>> After i contacted the company ACCIONA MOBILITY they finally added attribution on the app. and it's a new style, vertical. again plenty of space for Mapbox logo. Maybe we should add vertical attribution on the attribution guidance. check print here >> https://ibb.co/xLYrP3m
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>> On 25/12/2019 19:17, Nuno Caldeira wrote:
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>>> doesn't surprise me. check this >>> https://docs.mapbox.com/mapbox-gl-js/example/attribution-position/>>> plenty of space for visible attribution, well mapbox attribution is not hidden under an "i". I have reported another client of theirs that I have reached out to ask for attribution, which they understood, but still haven't fixed it. let's see if mapbox is in good will.
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>>> On Wed, 25 Dec 2019, 17:20 · Michael Medina, <>>> recycleoregon at gmail.com>>> > wrote:
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>>>> As a native English speaker this reads as complete stonewalling on Mapbox’s part. I don’t know why OSM doesn’t just file a DMCA complaint against Mapbox or deny them access. The OSM board should also not have to go through the regular help channel to get answers. Mapbox should escalate this issue to their top administrators. I know the board likes to play nice, but Mapbox isn’t playing nice so no reason to as far as I can tell.
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>>>> On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 04:06 <>>>> talk-request at openstreetmap.org>>>> > wrote:
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>>>>> Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2019 17:52:53 +0000
>>>>> From: Nuno Caldeira <>>>>> nunocapelocaldeira at gmail.com>>>>> >
>>>>> To: Mateusz Konieczny <>>>>> matkoniecz at tutanota.com>>>>> >
>>>>> Cc: joost schouppe <>>>>> joost.schouppe at gmail.com>>>>> >, OSMF Talk
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>>>>> Hi Mateusz,
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>>>>> They don't. Here's all my email exchange with them from October 2018,
>>>>> yes _*2018*_. it's more than enough with evidence and time to be fixed.
>>>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/110XubCe0kd2HNtbqXS7U_vr44xyieaSt/view?usp=sharing
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>>>>> On 24/12/2019 07:08, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
>>>>> > Have they responded with anything
>>>>> > (except automatic reply) ?
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>>>>> > Is there an assigned issue id?
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>>>>> > 23 Dec 2019, 21:32 by >>>>> nunocapelocaldeira at gmail.com>>>>> :
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>>>>> > I sent this situation to Mapbox 10 months ago.
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>>>>> > On Mon, 23 Dec 2019, 17:00 joost schouppe,
>>>>> > <>>>>> joost.schouppe at gmail.com>>>>> <mailto:>>>>> joost.schouppe at gmail.com>>>>> >> wrote:
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>>>>> > As an xmas bonus, here's another Facebook company (via
>>>>> > Mapbox), Snapchat that is using OSM without attribution
>>>>> > requirements (funnily there's plenty of space for a
>>>>> > reasonable and visible calculated mapbox logo and text).
>>>>> > They probably don't know, nor that they have been asked to
>>>>> > comply over a year ago, nor have agreed with the license
>>>>> > in every aspect of it when stated using OSM data, nor read
>>>>> > Mapbox TOS, or Mapbox been informed on these repeated
>>>>> > offenders, nor read the multiples reports in mailing
>>>>> > lists, nor that they had a employee that ran for OSMF board.
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>>>>> > >>>>> https://map.snapchat.com/
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>>>>> > Let's continue to be hypocrites and pretend nothing is
>>>>> > going on for over a year with these two companies that are
>>>>> > corporate members of OSMF and should be the first ones to
>>>>> > give examples. Enough with excuses.
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>>>>> > The Snapchat case is a pretty clear example of how not to do
>>>>> > things. If there's space for Mapbox, there's space for
>>>>> > OpenStreetMap. But I don't think Snapchat has anything to do
>>>>> > with Facebook.
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>>>>> > Phil, I hope you contacted them directly and not through Facebook.
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