[OSM-talk] Terminate Facebook rights under ODbL

Nuno Caldeira nunocapelocaldeira at gmail.com
Sun Jun 9 21:57:53 UTC 2019

Frederik, i'm well aware of LWG making a better guide regarding the 
attribution. This does not have to do with the way they attribute. It's 
about the license.

And i'm not asking the board to sue Facebook, what i'm asking is to 
notify them they are in breach of ODbL, as their are not fulfilling the 
terms and conditions of the license. This means if in 30 days after they 
receive the notice, they are in permanently breach of the license. Only 
OSMF as the licensor can do that.

Às 21:31 de 09/06/2019, Frederik Ramm escreveu:
> Hi,
> On 09.06.19 20:00, Christoph Hormann wrote:
>> I applaud you placing the ball in the OSMF board's court on this matter
>> but i would not expect substantial actions from there.
> The board has received the message and I'm sure it will be discussed
> internally in due course.
> It might be worth noting that LWG are working on improved attribution
> guidelines
> (https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licensing_Working_Group/Minutes/2019-01-10#Update_attribution_guidance)
> and perhaps it makes sense to delay any drastic action until these are
> ready. I don't expect any big changes (basic requirements of the license
> are not up for discussion) but perhaps some useful clarifications.
>> And with at the moment at least four out of seven OSMF board members
>> having ties to big organizational OSM data users/contributors ... well,
>> as we say in German:  Eine Krähe hackt der anderen kein Auge aus.
> Be that as it may, but there's also another thing to keep in mind: The
> OSMF board doesn't have an army of eager workers at their fingertips
> whom we can task with something. As you know, there's always discussion
> about enlarging the organisation, hiring more staff, hiring an executive
> director (which OSM US have done with much fanfare) etc., and as you
> also know, I am usually against such "OSMF inflation". I don't know what
> your position is in these matters; but actually cataloguing license
> violations, sending the appropriate legal nastygrams to the appropriate
> legal entities in the appropriate countries and all that, is certainly
> something that can occupy one employee full time - an employee where the
> OSMF would likely depend on corporate members like Facebook to pay their
> salary. So we have to be careful with what we demand from the OSMF.
> As you rightly say, while the OSMF board's cooperation might be required
> for a few legal aspects, there are many potential avenues of "direct
> action" that people could take to, but apparently the issue is not
> *that* big for most.
> Bye
> Frederik
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