[OSM-talk] Documenting controversial iD decisions

[John Whelan]

The problem is www.openstreetmap.org has a link to edit OSM.  When it 
was first put in it probably was a very reasonable thing to do but we do 
not have a change management system in place and over time iD has changed.

The real problem is new mappers will naturally edit OSM through the link 
thinking it is the "official"way to do it and the editor has been tested 
and approved etc.

However as stated iD is evolving and is becoming more powerful.  I 
understand in NYC a relative newcomer using the new validation feature 
of iD has made a very large number of changes to NYC and that I think is 
the sort of thing we wish to avoid.

So mentally split the idea of ID as an editor and what should be the 
default editor for newcomers for OSM.  The requirements seem to be 
different.  If iD is not the default editor on www.openstreetmap.org 
then treat it the same as any other OSM editor.

If it is then I think it needs to be held to a higher standard that 
protects new mappers from creating havoc.  Whether this is a new mapper 
switch or a reduced fork of iD or a requirement that you cannot edit the 
map unless you have completed an online course and passed an exam first 
I wouldn't like to say.  I do know that HOT for example has very high 
turn over of mappers so a forty hour training course might not be 
welcomed by everyone even if we could agree the syllabus.

Cheerio John

Clifford Snow wrote on 2019-05-28 8:10 PM:
> Why should one editor be held to higher standards than others? 
> Shouldn't they all be held to the same standard?
>
> On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 4:53 PM john whelan <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com 
> <mailto:jwhelan0112 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     The problem with iD is the fact that it is the default editor on
>     the web page of the website which implies that everything is
>     OpenStreetMap approved which unfortunately is not the case.
>
>     If it's placed as the default editor then I think it needs to be
>     held to a higher standard or some sort of change management system
>     implemented.
>
>     Cheerio John
>
>     On Tue, May 28, 2019, 7:47 PM Clifford Snow,
>     <clifford at snowandsnow.us <mailto:clifford at snowandsnow.us>> wrote:
>
>         Michael,
>         Don't you think to be fair that you should include all outside
>         projects, such as JOSM, Potlatch, CartoCSS, etc? None of them
>         are controlled by OSMF as far as I know. To just look at one
>         software project seems like we already reached a decision, we
>         just need the data to back it up.
>
>         Best,
>         Clifford
>
>         On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 3:47 PM Michael Reichert
>         <osm-ml at michreichert.de <mailto:osm-ml at michreichert.de>> wrote:
>
>             Hi,
>
>             I started documenting controversial decisions by the
>             maintainers of iD
>             at
>             https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/ID/Controversial_Decisions
>
>             Currently, only the highway=footway and the nonsquare=yes
>             issue are
>             mentioned.
>
>             Please feel free to add other issues which have proofed
>             controversial so
>             far. Don't forget to summarise the opinion of the
>             maintainer as well to
>             aim at least some neutrality as far as it is possible for
>             those involved
>             in the disputes. Please add links to relevant discussions
>             as well.
>
>             Best regards
>
>             Michael
>
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