[OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: bus stop

80hnhtv4agou at bk.ru 80hnhtv4agou at bk.ru
Fri Sep 20 23:16:14 UTC 2019

Ok !
it is “hail and ride” but i am in the USA, we do not say it that way, as it 
say’s you put it on the way, road line
i have been using the point, and putting it on the side of the road.
but our signs have numbers on it.
the fields are wrong for our standards, and the only field that shows on 
the standard web edit map is name.

all i know to use is the ID edit.

From: Joseph Eisenberg
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 5:44 PM
To: OpenStreetMap talk mailing 
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] bus stop
If a bus stop sign has a number, you can add this to the highway=bus_stop 
node with ref=*
BTW, I wouldn’t call “hail and ride” part of tyr public_transport proposal. 
As the link shows, it’s clearly a separate proposal. But it sounds sensible, and 
I agree that if a route has no fixed stops it makes sense to just create a route 
relation and only add the first and last stop as highway=bus_stop.
That’s what works here in Indonesia, where most local buses will pick up or 
drop off passengers anywhere along the route.
On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 3:14 AM Johnparis 
< okosm at johnfreed.com > wrote:
>If the bus route does not have fixed stops, it is a hail-and-ride route, 
>  not a fixed-stop route. Public Transport v2 takes both possibilities into 
>  account.
>The route relation should include all the road segments involved, and the 
>  relevant segments should have the role:
>See  https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/hail_and_ride
>As to the name vs number, the agreed naming convention is pretty clearly 
>  spelled out in PTv2. Usually something like this:
>For the route master ... Bus 2: City Hall <-> Library (or you can 
>  use <=> or ↔) 
>For one variant ... Bus 2: City Hall -> Library (or you can use => 
>  or →)
>For another variant ... Bus 2: Library -> City Hall
>I have ridden buses in many US cities (although never a hail-and-ride) 
>  and they fit nicely into this format.
>The line number itself goes in the ref tag in the route 
>  relation.
>On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 5:03 PM john whelan 
>  < jwhelan0112 at gmail.com > wrote:
>>I'm not sure this is quite the place for this discussion but Europe 
>>    also has some bus routes that pick up and drop off on request.  Just 
>>    don't map none existent stops. 
>>Ottawa Canada has fixed stops as do many other locations in North 
>>    America.
>>I suggest you try to map following the wiki map features.  If 
>>    someone is changing your tags then discuss the matter with them as is the 
>>    traditional way to resolve the problem.
>>Cheerio John
>>On Fri, Sep 20, 2019, 10:46 AM 80hnhtv4agou--- 
>>    via talk, < talk at openstreetmap.org > 
>>    wrote:
>>>europe vs. united states,
>>>1. does not match the way we catch the bus in the usa and the fields 
>>>      are to strict.
>>>2. is a place where i will stand to catch the bus, sign or no sign 
>>>      etc.
>>>3. the map point reflects the area and stops are not set in stone but 
>>>      is based on a driver etc.
>>>4. bus stops are numbered routes as on the sign, the fields do not 
>>>      reflect or allow for this, just the name,
>>>the standard web edit map reflects points not route lines, google 
>>>      puts in a no. not a line.
>>>looking at a map numbers are more important than names and not all 
>>>      stops have names like
>>>someone's driveway.
>>>  _______________________________________________


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