[OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: Roadmap for deprecation of name tags in OSM

john whelan jwhelan0112 at gmail.com
Sun Aug 9 19:14:12 UTC 2020


I honestly can't see any benefit.  Splitting the data into two places adds
the danger of it getting out of sync.

Standard naming conventions would be nice but defining the standard name is
practically impossible.  Compare taginfo to the map features wiki page.
One problem with map features is what is written is often one person's idea
of what the standard name should be.

And different features really are called difference things in different
countries.  It can be difficult to stretch a "standard" name to cover many
things.

For example in Canada many highways have wide shoulders to dump snow on in
winter.  In summer they are often used by cyclists but they aren't cycle
lanes by any stretch of imagination even though some are paved.

Cheerio John

On Sun, Aug 9, 2020, 15:04 pangoSE <pangose at riseup.net> wrote:

> Could you reply with your arguments in favor of the current one2one tag
> model system in the other thread where I listed the benefits as I see them?
>
> E.g. permanent unique ids, talk pages if we want that for every osmid,
> SPARQL support, standardization benefits "riding the current ride in open
> data", scripting support for botmakers, and above all support for
> references and linking interactively to other data sources.
> Bots are very useful e.g. to notify an editor of a possible tagging
> mistake or checking urls of references. Martin could also reference an
> image in Wikimedia commons directly on the statement it relates to.
>
> Unique Qids for every osm object that is decoupled from the underlying
> osmid gives some possibility we don't have today regarding integration with
> e.g. wikidata.
>
> Cheers
>
> Mateusz Konieczny via talk <talk at openstreetmap.org> skrev: (9 augusti
> 2020 20:14:03 CEST)
>>
>> It still fails to provide even a single benefit over the current
>> situation.
>>
>> Aug 9, 2020, 20:11 by pangose at riseup.net:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -------- Originalmeddelande --------
>> Från: pangoSE
>> Skickat: 9 augusti 2020 15:40:41 CEST
>> Till: talk at openstreetmap.org
>> Ämne: Re: [OSM-talk] Roadmap for deprecation of name tags in OSM
>>
>> This is another good reason to abandon this suggestion in favor of our
>> own wikibase instance.
>>
>> Philip Barnes <phil at trigpoint.me.uk> skrev: (9 augusti 2020 15:12:21
>> CEST)
>> >On Sun, 2020-08-09 at 09:04 -0400, James wrote:
>>
>> Not to mention if someone wants to add a name for a new item/object,
>> does the user need to create a wikidata item on top of it? Will the
>> editor do it automatically? How does it pick the right one? Does it
>> offer a list to the user? This is going to make osm a massive turn
>> off to new contributors on the steep learning curve(which is already
>> pretty high) to contributing to osm.
>> This whole idea is really terrible and could just be offered as a
>> post-processed data set: wikidata? use that instead of name tag.
>>
>> >This leads me to a fairly fundamental question, what if a mapper does
>> >not want to be associated with wikidata and refuses to sign up?
>> >Phil (trigpoint)
>>
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