[OSM-talk] time to review

[Mario Frasca]

Hi Rory,

let's include the list, so you're talking with the whole community, not 
just to me.

BACKGROUND: we're trying to have the YouthMappers Chapter of the 
University of Panama consider they're mapping within OSM, that there's a 
local community of mappers already mapping, and with some experience in 
different fields.

unfortunately, the YMUP Chapter refuses to reply to comments to their 
changesets, or to consider complaints about their low quality of edits, 
and the sheer mass of beginners they throw into not-too-simple tasks.  
recently they had their yearly "Gis Day", please don't ask me what it 
is, because I don't know, only that there's a hashtag being used once a 
year by the YouthMappers UP Chapter.  also please don't ask me who's 
inside this chapter, because I don't know.

when Mateusz wrote to info at youthmappers.org about their organized 
editing activity without declaration of intents, the result of his 
writing was that HOT opened two projects on top of two areas we from the 
community were editing using the tasking manager from 
tareas.openstreetmap.co, forcing us to clean up the edits while they 
were coming in.  that's Santiago and Colón.

in Santiago we reverted several changesets, and made the effort to close 
their project so they would stay away from the work which was anyway 
almost complete.

in Colón we stopped editing downtown, leaving it to the YMUP Chapter.

there's still no published plan from the chapter, Rory says that they 
are reviewing the tasks they had opened, but apart from beginner mapper 
agreenish <https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/agreenish>, arguably 
adding to the mass of mistakes, I don't see much editing activity in 
either project.

I will write a diary entry, with images, and will try to make it a 
structured presentation of what goes on here.  there's statistical data 
I've collected that shows just how organized the edits from YMUP, and I 
find it quite insulting, the mismatch between the words by YouthMappers 
International, the call for patience by HOT, and the continued 
self-boasting by this local Chapter, while we need to do the cleaning up.

you know … I am editing Morocco, that's more relaxing.  hopefully no 
YouthMappers there.

ciao,

Mario


On 02/12/2020 15:52, Rory Nealon wrote:
> Hi Mario,
>
> Sorry for not getting back to you sooner.  I will try and contact the 
> chapter and get an answer for you.  The last I heard was that they had 
> begun to validate the tasks they had created.
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> Rory
>
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 4:53 PM Mario Frasca <mario at anche.no 
> <mailto:mario at anche.no>> wrote:
>
>     Dear Rory,
>
>     let me insist, I wish to have an estimate of how long we should wait,
>     for the YMUP to review their edits?
>
>     as you have read from his complaint to YMI, Markusz assumes something
>     like "at the end of the day", even if he wrote the complaint 4 days
>     after the edit — which he fixed himself.
>
>     maybe too strict myself, because I would say "the next day", which
>     could
>     be "the next available day".
>
>     in particular since this looks like episodic edits, not ongoing
>     activities.
>
>     so, what is the time we should allow before concluding they abandoned
>     the location?
>
>     a week?  (slow, but could fit in a low activity group)
>
>     a month?  (very slow, one forgets what they were doing)
>
>     a year?  (ah? next group, please?)
>
>     best regards, Mario Frasca
>
>
>
> -- 
> */Rory Nealon (he/him)/*
> */Senior GIS Analyst & YouthMappers Activity Manager/*
> */US Agency for International Development/*
> */Washington, DC/*
> */+1 202.468.7890/*
> */GeoCenter MyUSAID Site <https://pages.usaid.gov/theLab/CGS/geocenter>/*
>
> /*The Geographic Approach to Development 
> <https://usaid.maps.arcgis.com/apps/Cascade/index.html?appid=92ef58b1014745c5b2a3338c42fd3674>*/
>
>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/attachments/20201202/3b791e2f/attachment.htm>