[OSM-talk] srsly?! | Re: I’m running for OSMF board and I’ve set up office hours for questions

Rory McCann rory at technomancy.org
Sun Dec 6 11:45:18 UTC 2020

[ I've been trying to stay out of the election to the board, because as a current board member I'll be working with 3 of the candidates after the election, but I must respond to this. ]

There are many examples of people excusing how Trump acted before the 2016 election, claiming he would be “presidential” when elected, and you had to choose the example regarding sexual assault? Seriously?

You could have pointed out Trump's nepotism (before & after election), his horrible business/economic skills, his brash, rude and condescening manner of speaking, his history of brazely lying, and you had to go with _that_ example?

While disregarding the OSM licence is bad, it is no way comparible to sexual assault. By equating the two, you're diminising the seriousness of a type of crime which is already treated too lightly by many cultures & communities, and which statistically disproportionally affects women & nonbinary people. I don't know what you intended to communicate, but people will hear someone who doesn't think sexual assault isn't very bad. People will think you're not to be trusted with issues like this. That's why it wasn't tone policing.

I'm pretty sure Trump didn't think that action was loathsome BTW, why do you think he boasted about it? “Getting away with murder” has been used so much that we know it doesn't actually mean murder. One thing that causes that scandal with Trump is that we knew he was literally bragging about sexually assaulting people (that's in the first part of the quote too). Unfortuntaly intent isn't magic. I consider you a friend (and my boss), so I know you're a good guy, but plenty of people haven't met you and are gonna just have things like this to try to figure out who you are....

On Thu, 3 Dec 2020, at 00:44, Frederik Ramm wrote:
> Hi,
> On 12/2/20 23:09, Mateusz Konieczny via talk wrote:
> >     FB’s attribution to OSM is available to any viewer in a place that
> >     is commonly associated with attribution.
> > 
> > Barely visible icon that must be clicked is not a standard place for
> > attribution.
> Agree with Mateusz, and I'm just flabbergasted how someone can kick our
> license in the groin and have the audacity to ask for the community to
> thank them for it with a board seat, where they will be tasked with
> upholding values they apparently don't share.
> If Mike Migurski at least had the decency to say: "Yeah, my employer
> sucks with attribution, I know, and I'm trying to get it fixed." I
> wouldn't believe him but at least he'd say something that is ok. But
> instead he says "y'all suck with your baseless ideas of attribution,
> please vote for me."
> Anyone who thinks that, once elected, Mike will put OSM's interests
> before those of Facebook because that's his job as a board member, think
> twice. People have thought the same about Donald Trump - yeah, this
> whole grab-them-by-the-pussy talk is just showmanship and once elected
> he'll be more presidential. But don't be fooled. Mike is going to grab
> our licence by the pussy just as he promised he would, and he's being
> paid a fine salary for that from one of the most disturbing mega-corps
> on the planet.
> Bye
> Frederik
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