[OSM-talk] Call to Take Action and Confront Systemic Offensive Behavior in the OSM Community

Maarten Deen mdeen at xs4all.nl
Fri Dec 11 08:00:20 UTC 2020


On 2020-12-10 19:49, Yves via talk wrote:
> Niels, Arnalielsewhere post wasn't about mapping, the map is used to
> illustrate something.
> I agree with others comments pledging for more time to be taken to
> read someone else's lines.

Then I struggle to see the relevance. The whole blogpost seems to be a 
call against (apparent) male preference to take the short (and 
dangerous) route, with extension that the male will only take the longer 
less dangerous route to please the female.

I'm not sure how to apply that to OSM governance.
If it is about the points: 1: agree, 2: ok, noted. Which is one of my 
fears when even looking at women, that they see me as someone who wants 
to attack them, just because I look at them (i.e. see them, not "check 
them out"). 3: yes.

So, which path do we choose to take? I can not answer that. I have taken 
my own path in OSM and mapping and I think I added value to OSM using 
that path. I also like to think I have never exhibited offensive 
behaviour to women or others in OSM but that is a statment only others 
can affirm.

So I really struggle to see the relevance. At least in my case. And I 
struggle to see the underlying institutionalized method that seems te be 
felt.
I also have to agree with user_5589's last comment to the blogpost. To 
have certain seats allocated to certain groups of people will give 
others more reason to say "you are only here because we have to have you 
here, not because you have a valuable input on the matter". And that is 
something we very much need to avoid.
It will also weaken OSM if you don't have the best person for the job. 
And that person may be black, white, male, female, straight, gay, 
catholic, muslim, facebook employee or independent, or whatever the 
person identifies as.

Regards,
Maarten



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