[OSM-talk] it's not a fake, but "it's complicated"

[Mario Frasca]

On 05/02/2020 12:15, Dave F via talk wrote:
> Who & how did you contact them? If a Public forum, could you post a 
> link? if email, could you copy paste exactly the replies to you? 

not a public forum, I wrote to VigotheCarpatian as an openstreetmap 
message, here's some of it:

myself, on 2019-12-06 19:31

> Hi Vigo, thank you for replying, this is one changeset where I commented
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/35874422
>
> that’s just an example, but not at all an isolated case. what I’ve 
> been seeing here in Panama (the country) is that Kaart people in 2015 
> have been mapping individual commercial enterprises as separate buildings.
>
> two examples, in Chorrera and in Panama.
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/385343944 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/382714337
>
> the whole Avenida B in Panamá has buildings which have been split like 
> this. I have personally checked that in cases, a single building was 
> split in three slices. I did not fix it.
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/384068371/history
>
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>
> also, please, don’t leave junk behind, like |source_1|, |shop=yes|, or 
> even putting a building in Panamá, and writing |addr:city=Santa Ana|.
>
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>
> one more mistake is relative to mapping landuse:retail as 
> landuse:commercial, possibly because of the false friend Spanish 
> “centro comercial”. (example: 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/385055420/history)
>
> there’s very few editors in Panamá, megabytes are expensive, we can’t 
> afford neither the workload nor the bandwidth to fix this, so I’m 
> trying to have things fixed upstream, that is, from Kaart.
>
you already have Vigo's answer, on 2019-12-06 23:04:

> Hi Mario, thank you for all the information and feedback on the work 
> done in Panama. I have informed the team and we will use the 
> information you gave us to improve future edits made by Kaart. Thanks 
> again for reaching out to us.
>
to which I answered, 2019-12-07 14:23

> I’m happy you will use the information I gave you, but it is relevant 
> that you’re speaking in plural form, that’s for the Kaart 
> organization. Since you’re speaking for a group, where the group edits 
> in an organized way in an area where there is a community of mappers, 
> that puts your group (Kaart) in the position where you should consider 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Organised_Editing_Guidelines.
>
> Please do that for the future, I insist.  And if you have any current 
> activity regarding Panamá, it’s not too late to inform the local 
> community via the wiki.
>
> As for the “… to improve future edits”, well, that’s nice, but what 
> about what your editors left behind?  I’m glad you reverted to 
> unclassified that unclassified you had tagged as track, but there’s 
> more drops in the sea.  What about organizing a review of your past 
> edits, involving the local community?
>
and I got the reaction, 2019-12-09 17:10

> Hello Mario, here is the wiki page of projects and places that Kaart 
> are working in. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Kaart
>
which did not and still does not mention Panama at all.


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