[OSM-talk] Too subjective & problematic Re: no-go-areas

Paul Johnson baloo at ursamundi.org
Mon Jan 13 23:04:49 UTC 2020


On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 11:49 AM Mateusz Konieczny <matkoniecz at tutanota.com>
wrote:

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> 12 Jan 2020, 18:39 by snusmumriken.mapper at runbox.com:
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> On Sun, 2020-01-12 at 08:35 -0600, Paul Johnson wrote:
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> On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 1:47 AM Snusmumriken <
> snusmumriken.mapper at runbox.com> wrote:
> > On Sat, 2020-01-11 at 21:22 +0100, Martin Trautmann via talk wrote:
> > > On 20-01-02 12:23, pangoSE wrote:
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> > > > A map cannot solve a lack of general awareness when visiting a
> > > > new/unknown place. Going to the mountains to hike can also be
> > > > dangerous
> > > > if you are not well prepared. This is of course not marked on
> > the
> > > > map!
> > >
> > > I agree that I don't know any non-subjective way how to identify
> > such
> > > an
> > > area.
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> > Well, one could rely on authority, e.g. if a national police
> > authority
> > designated certain areas as high risk.
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> Yeah, that's not really going to work, either. Just look at
> Portland. Most arrests happen in poor, black neighborhoods, but
> you're most likely to get hurt or killed in a suburban white area.
> Besides, if you really want to go that route, just composite their
> data as a layer over OpenStreetMap in Leaflet. There's no reason
> whatsoever to include it in OpenStreetMap's database.
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> I understand that it would politically sensitive, but from a data-model
> point of view it doesn't really differ from postcode areas (under the
> assumption that there's an authority that designates some areas as
> high-risk areas)
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> There is a single authority assigning
> postal codes.
>

Well, two in the US.


> Also, in general people are not disputing postal codes.
>

The US Census Bureau and the Postal Service, but that's their problem to
sort out; just putting city and state will still get your mail there and
it's specific enough to wayfind.
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