[OSM-talk] talk Digest, Vol 187, Issue 54
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Sun Mar 22 08:05:20 UTC 2020
Dear OSM Moderators
It recently came to our attention that some updates from
https://healthsites.io have been removing valid tags. We would like to
apologise for this - obviously it is not acceptable. We have made a fix for
the platform and will deploy it shortly. We have also identified all
potentially affected changes here:
https://osmcha.org/changesets/82308472?filters=%7B%22editor%22%3A%5B%7B%22label%22%3A%22Healthsites.io%22%2C%22value%22%3A%22Healthsites.io%22%7D%5D%7D
We will work through the list and reinstate any inadvertantly deleted data.
We would like to apologise for any inconvenience caused and assure you that
we are a) aware of the issue and b) working to fix the issue with all
possible haste honour our responsibility as good citizens of the OSM
community.
Thank you for you understanding in this,
Regards
The Healthsites.io team.
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> 1. Re: Taking a break and a call for help (Dave F)
> 2. Re: Taking a break and a call for help (Jmapb)
> 3. healthsites.io breaks OSM data, do not use (Frederik Ramm)
> 4. Re: healthsites.io breaks OSM data, do not use (Mikel Maron)
> 5. Re: Taking a break and a call for help (Paul Johnson)
> 6. Re: healthsites.io breaks OSM data, do not use (Simon Poole)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 14:37:18 +0000
> From: Dave F <davefoxfac63 at btinternet.com>
> To: Paul Johnson <baloo at ursamundi.org>, OpenStreetMap talk-us list
> <talk-us at openstreetmap.org>, Talk Openstreetmap
> <talk at openstreetmap.org>
> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Taking a break and a call for help
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> In my area, AL are adding legitimate data which helps improve the
> quality of the OSM database. I believe they make the same amount of
> errors as any other contributors, including experienced ones.
>
> Unsure why he thinks OSMF should be keeping an eye on contributors
> purely because they're paid.
> I doubt Paul, when he started his first *paid* job was an expert at it,
> & never made a mistake.
>
> It sounds like Paul's got his knickers in a twist over something other
> than poor quality data.
>
> DaveF
>
> On 20/03/2020 23:07, Paul Johnson wrote:
> > So, you all know at this point that I've been heavily invested in editing
> > OSM and contributing to my maximum activity, less as a need to help a
> > charity and more of an obligation to the public to do the most good with
> > the short time I have on this planet. However, I've had a few events
> come
> > up that are more or less killing my ability to keep up.
> >
> > I'm taking a step back from being the primary editor in the Oklahoma
> region
> > until this passes.
> >
> > 3) Amazon Logistics and a revolving door team of one-edit-and-done spam
> > accounts keeps throwing paid contributions into Oklahoma that are of
> poorly
> > aligned, largely fictional and low quality. I'm stuck cleaning up in a
> > neglected part of North America some particularly low quality edits with
> > limited resources and little ability to find more. I hope other
> > contributors can help keep abreast and I hope OSM Foundation can help
> keep
> > paid contributors to account. I don't think it's unreasonable to think
> > that paid mapper should be contributing *far* higher quality data than
> your
> > average volunteer first time mapper, and I think OSM needs to have a
> > serious conversation about minimum qualifications for paid mapping that I
> > simply don't have the time or energy for at this point. Dealing with
> this
> > (and staying abreast extensive OkTrans highway modernization efforts
> > lately) have been a major part of my editing (and while OkTrans is
> > unavoidable, Amazon is inexcusable).
> >
> > 2) My truck was stolen last night
> > <https://social.tulsa.ok.us/@BalooUriza/103855930214022255>, along with
> the
> > dashcams I use for Mapillary, essentially making long range surveying
> > impossible and imperiling my survival since, if for nothing else, I need
> to
> > hit Costco for restocking my pantry and storeroom. As such, I had to
> call
> > off work and spent most of the day today dealing with the police today.
> >
> > 1) I work in the IT department of a major regional hospital on the front
> > lines of the COVID-19 response in the US. My vacation at the end of next
> > month, and my weekends for the next two months, have been cancelled, and
> > I'm expected to work 8+ hours a day, 7 days a week to help keep things up
> > and running so the medical staff don't have to think about the computers.
> >
> > I really hope OSMF and the DWG takes a good, hard and critical look at
> > dealing with the low quality edits from Amazon and spammers while I deal
> > with acquiring another (or, best case, my stolen) pickup and dealing with
> > my professional life.
> >
> >
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> Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 12:34:18 -0400
> From: Jmapb <jmapb at gmx.com>
> To: talk at openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Taking a break and a call for help
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> On 3/21/2020 10:37 AM, Dave F via talk wrote:
> > In my area, AL are adding legitimate data which helps improve the
> > quality of the OSM database. I believe they make the same amount of
> > errors as any other contributors, including experienced ones.
> >
> > Unsure why he thinks OSMF should be keeping an eye on contributors
> > purely because they're paid.
>
> IMO, it's not that they're *paid* per se but rather that there's a huge
> army of them, all presumably with the same training and the same orders.
> If those orders lead to bad mapping, it gets amplified greatly. This
> also happens with organized groups of volunteer mappers.
>
> Anecdotally, in my area, Amazon's drones are not a big problem but
> occasionally they're pretty irksome. Sometimes they add hundreds of
> service roads in a week, and generally very sloppily. They draw roads at
> odd angles. They connect alleys that don't connect. They connect roads
> to subways. They draw parking aisles like winding forest paths. They
> distort the highways they connect to. They use outdated and misaligned
> imagery. Once in a while they'll delete entire roads or buildings.
>
> I try to keep an eye on them and fix the errors and the most egregious
> road geometry. When I leave changeset comments, they generally reply,
> but there are so many of them that it feels like trying to cook rice one
> grain at a time.
>
> Jason
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 17:39:59 +0100
> From: Frederik Ramm <frederik at remote.org>
> To: Talk Openstreetmap <talk at openstreetmap.org>
> Subject: [OSM-talk] healthsites.io breaks OSM data, do not use
> Message-ID: <7cd0315e-6c5a-f367-a822-a6544a6b29f4 at remote.org>
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> Hi,
>
> the "healthsites.io" web app allows you to contribute data to OSM,
> however if you modify existing OSM objects, it throws away all tags it
> does not know of. Until this bug is fixed, please refrain from using
> healthsites.io!
>
> You can track progress here
>
> https://github.com/healthsites/healthsites/issues/1357#issuecomment-602068556
>
> Bye
> Frederik
>
> --
> Frederik Ramm ## eMail frederik at remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33"
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 16:44:40 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Mikel Maron <mikel.maron at gmail.com>
> To: Talk Openstreetmap <talk at openstreetmap.org>, Frederik Ramm
> <frederik at remote.org>
> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] healthsites.io breaks OSM data, do not use
> Message-ID: <2059632893.124457.1584809080907 at mail.yahoo.com>
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> Yikes. Good catch and agreed.
>
> Can anyone track the extent of the damage, and prepare to restore the
> thrown away tags, while keeping the good new data?
>
> * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, March 21, 2020, 12:42:01 PM EDT, Frederik Ramm <
> frederik at remote.org> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> the "healthsites.io" web app allows you to contribute data to OSM,
> however if you modify existing OSM objects, it throws away all tags it
> does not know of. Until this bug is fixed, please refrain from using
> healthsites.io!
>
> You can track progress here
>
> https://github.com/healthsites/healthsites/issues/1357#issuecomment-602068556
>
> Bye
> Frederik
>
> --
> Frederik Ramm ## eMail frederik at remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33"
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 11:46:20 -0500
> From: Paul Johnson <baloo at ursamundi.org>
> To: Jmapb <jmapb at gmx.com>
> Cc: Talk Openstreetmap <talk at openstreetmap.org>
> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Taking a break and a call for help
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> On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 11:37 AM Jmapb <jmapb at gmx.com> wrote:
>
> > I try to keep an eye on them and fix the errors and the most egregious
> > road geometry. When I leave changeset comments, they generally reply,
> > but there are so many of them that it feels like trying to cook rice one
> > grain at a time.
>
>
> Very much this.
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> Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 21:07:10 +0100
> From: Simon Poole <simon at poole.ch>
> To: talk at openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] healthsites.io breaks OSM data, do not use
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> We currently are lacking a simple lightweight way of blocking write
> access to the API, but it is being looked at.
>
> This would normally be the ultima ratio as it essentially means all work
> already done before an upload is lost, but in the case of a 1 change per
> changeset app as healthsite.io it could be justified.
>
> Simon
>
> Am 21.03.2020 um 17:44 schrieb Mikel Maron:
> > Yikes. Good catch and agreed.
> >
> > Can anyone track the extent of the damage, and prepare to restore the
> thrown away tags, while keeping the good new data?
> >
> > * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Saturday, March 21, 2020, 12:42:01 PM EDT, Frederik Ramm <
> frederik at remote.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > the "healthsites.io" web app allows you to contribute data to OSM,
> > however if you modify existing OSM objects, it throws away all tags it
> > does not know of. Until this bug is fixed, please refrain from using
> > healthsites.io!
> >
> > You can track progress here
> >
> https://github.com/healthsites/healthsites/issues/1357#issuecomment-602068556
> >
> > Bye
> > Frederik
> >
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