[OSM-talk] Examples at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access

[Arne Johannessen]

On 25 May 2020, at 01:45, Mateusz Konieczny via talk <talk at openstreetmap.org> wrote:
> May 25, 2020, 00:36 by arne at thaw.de:
>> 
>> I would argue that non-gated driveways are often closer to access=destination than they are to access=private.
>> 
>> According to the wiki, private requires individual permission, which I can't give to the mailman / delivery person, but I still want them to make their deliveries on my doorstep.
> I would describe delivery part as
> 
> "I have given individual permission to delivery person by requesting delivery"

Not all deliveries are actively requested, and the delivery person can't know if you requested it or not. Therefore, access=private as a _default_ for driveways seems wrong to me.


> Random person driving to my house and trying to sell me random items would
> not be covered by such permission and unwanted and violating access rules,
> right?
> 
> Such peddler would be allowed by access=destination (any non-transit
> traffic allowed).

Exactly. In the jurisdictions I'm familiar with, such traffic is in fact generally allowed on driveways.

However, some driveways are behind a locked gate or clearly signed as "private / no trespassing" (which is legally equivalent in some jurisdictions). Such cases should qualify for an _explicit_ access=private tag. Delivery to your doorstep might then be impossible, unless there's like a bell at the gate that can be used by the delivery person to obtain individual permission.

So, access=private for driveways is not necessarily wrong, it's but probably somewhat rare.

Your new language about this on the access=* page seems fine to me:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:access&oldid=1994851#Road_with_restricted_access

FWIW, I'm less happy with the current state of the access=private page. But I'm not sure if consensus exists to clarify it.


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Arne Johannessen
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