[OSM-talk] Use of OSM data without attribution

[Mario Frasca]

Hi.  this is funny, I recently opened an issue with AllTrails, about 
them not attributing the map.

I wonder if we're talking about the same thing: their Android App shows 
a bright colourful Google logo on top of whatever map you configure as 
your base map.  in particular, it can be shown on top of the standard 
OSM map.  there is attribution, but it's in a pop-up window.  to 
activate this window you need eagle eyes, and spot a faint low contrast 
circled lowercase letter "i" (like an info sign, but as said, small, low 
contrast), once spotted, you have to be able to activate it, which isn't 
easy since this widget is on second plane half hidden behind a large 
high contrast + widget.  Attribution in this pop up window is first to 
Mapbox, then to OpenStreetMap, this sequence is so even if you're 
looking at our standard OSM map, and you're not looking at anything 
belonging to Mapbox.

anyhow, the issue with AllTrails is #125657.

on the 18th of October, that's 7 days ago, I wrote about this to 
legal-questions at osmfoundation.org (which was redirected to 
data at openstreetmap.org), then again to legal at osmfoundation.org, and I'm 
not so sure what's the status of the call, because our issue tracking 
system assigned my report to the DWG, while it's clearly a LWG issue.

I did correct the wiki page on our wiki, I can't edit the wrong 
information at 
https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licensing_Working_Group.  I 
mentioned this already on the #osm channel at the oftc irc server.

anyhow, it's several issue shere, only one related to AllTrails, most 
are about our bad organization.

best regards,

Mario Frasca

On 10/09/2020 09:12, miketho16 at gmail.com (Mike Thompson) wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 2:02 PM Mike Thompson <miketho16 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Has anyone tried contacting the AllTrails[0] people about their use of OSM
>> without attribution?  I am not talking about the "OSM Map Layer" that they
>> offer, but rather the default "AllTrails Map Layer."  At the very least it
>> appears that the trails on that layer come from OSM.  I know that because I
>> have entered some rather obscure informal trails in OSMe, and they show up
>> in AllTrails just as I entered them in OSM.
>> Mike
>>
>> [0] https://www.alltrails.com/ (in the search box enter the name of a
>> trail, park, or city to see their map.)
>>
> It looks like AllTrails now correctly attributes OpenStreetMap.  Those of
> you more familiar with the licensing might want to chime in and let me know
> if simply stating "(c) OpenStreetMap" instead of "(c) OpenStreetMap
> Contributors" is adequate (also, keep in mind that only some of their map
> data comes from OSM).  If it is adequate, I will send Ron a note thanking
> him, and starting the conversation between him and the DWG about AllTrails
> directing data issues directly to the DWG.
>
> Mike
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