[OSM-talk] Java and JOSM

john whelan jwhelan0112 at gmail.com
Sun Apr 4 19:59:29 UTC 2021


Thanks Clifford I think that was the sort of thing I was looking for.

Cheerio John


On Sun, Apr 4, 2021, 14:59 Clifford Snow <clifford at snowandsnow.us> wrote:

> John,
> Excuse me if I missed the point of your post. I use OpenJDK to run JOSM.
> OpenJDK is completely open source. JOSM runs just fine in OpenJDK. A while
> back I did have an application that would only work on Oracle's Java
> forcing me to install software to point each application to the desired
> java version. Since that last application upgraded I'm now completely free
> of Oracle's java. I'm a Linux user but OpenJDK should work under Windows or
> Mac. Oracle's java might have some performance advantages but it's nothing
> that hinders my mapping.
>
> I would encourage you and your mapathon users to switch to OpenJDK.
>
> Best,
> Clifford
>
> On Sun, Apr 4, 2021 at 11:17 AM John Whelan <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The opinion expressed on Oracle is my personal one based on dealing with
>> them over ten years in a corporate environment.
>>
>> In my experience with mapathons where there is a requirement to map
>> buildings and the JOSM buildings_tool plugin would be invaluable the policy
>> of a number of companies and government agencies of not to allowing JAVA to
>> be installed means those mappers who have brought work lap tops to the
>> maparthon are unable to run JOSM which means the quality of buildings
>> suffers.
>>
>> I don't think there are any lies in the above statements.
>>
>> Realistically most programmers would agree that the Microsoft Visual
>> development environment is one of the most productive no matter what
>> language you are developing in.
>>
>> Microsoft of thirty or forty years ago had security problems.  I don't
>> dispute that and recommended against the use of a number of their products
>> based on security concerns. You may not remember the Word Macro problem
>> when a document could run an macro on opening.  Very easy to load in
>> malware.  We went a different route at the time and avoided the problems.
>>
>> Today Microsoft takes security very seriously, little things like windows
>> update is sent out in a torrent like environment which means no matter what
>> government would like installed on a particular machine it can't be done as
>> there is no way to target a particular machine.
>>
>> My ideal OSM editor would native code rather than running in a emulator.
>> You don't need the same amount of hardware for a given level of
>> performance.  You never know you might even get a decent level of
>> performance on a Raspberry Pi.
>>
>> Written using Visual Studio, it's very good on the programmer
>> productivity side.
>>
>> The way in would be someone would write a basic editor and then over time
>> add functionality.  I'm sure 10% of JOSM is used much more often than the
>> rest of it but that is just day dreaming.  I'm quite certain that JOSM has
>> evolved over time by many different authors.  Something rewritten in C#
>> might be clearer to understand.
>>
>> "Ask Oracle Java Webstart users to switch to OpenWebStart" came up in
>> JOSM and I was wondering if that meant we could get rid of Oracle JAVA.
>> There are products such as Kotlin which can replace JAVA completely.
>>
>> Anyway time to draw the discussion to a close.  I asked the question and
>> found out that JAVA webstart is something different to JAVA and we will
>> agree to disagree on whether I lie or not.
>>
>> Cheerio John
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Tomas Straupis wrote on 4/4/2021 11:48 AM:
>>
>> 2021-04-04, sk 18:04, John Whelan rašė:
>>
>>> Purely I don't trust Oracle, JAVA is not permitted on many corporate or
>>> US government systems for security reasons.
>>>
>>
>>  Why are you trying to spread this lie again an again? Microsoft is far
>> worse on security and has been taken to court for bad practices numerous
>> times.
>>
>>   And it would be fun to see ArcGIS being banned for security reasons
>> (its server runs on java) 😃
>>
>>>
>>>
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