[OSM-talk] talk Digest, Vol 199, Issue 38

Volker Schmidt voschix at gmail.com
Sat Mar 20 09:24:47 UTC 2021


As said before in order to be precise, and in order to help preventing an
easily made error, I suggest to use the the double term "liquids and
gasses" and not "fluid"



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On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 at 13:19, <talk-request at openstreetmap.org> wrote:

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> From: Warin <61sundowner at gmail.com>
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> The common use of the word 'fluid' only includes liquids.
> Not everyone is a scientist. Even worse is the job of interpreting this
> into other languages.
> So, yes .. avoid the use of the word 'fluids'.
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> On 18/3/21 3:31 am, Volker Schmidt wrote:
> > Hi François,
> > the fact that I slipped up on this, as a physicist by education,
> > illustrated that we may need to write explicitly "liquids and gasses".
> > That way we also  exclude, correctly, kthe third type of fluids, which
> > are plasmas, if my memory is correct.
> >
> > Volker
> > k
> >
> > On Wed, 17 Mar 2021 at 17:15, François Lacombe
> > <fl.infosreseaux at gmail.com <mailto:fl.infosreseaux at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >     Hi Volker
> >
> >     Le mer. 17 mars 2021 à 11:01, Volker Schmidt <voschix at gmail.com
> >     <mailto:voschix at gmail.com>> a écrit :
> >
> >
> >
> >             As air is a fluid, this would cover both water and
> >             ventilation outlets.
> >
> >         ?
> >         The boiling point of liquid air is −194.35 °C
> >         <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celsius>
> >         Air is a mix of mainly three gases, and in the context that
> >         Martin has in mind certainly not liquid.
> >
> >
> >     I said fluid, not liquid.
> >     Fluids include gases and liquids.
> >
> >     Indeed this definition would appropriately cover water, air and
> >     natural gas in pipelines.
> >
> >     All the best
> >
> >     François
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> From: stevea <steveaOSM at softworkers.com>
> To: Warin <61sundowner at gmail.com>, Mateusz Konieczny via talk
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> Speaking personally and as mapper and user of OSM, I have a preference for
> precise over common.  Without being insulting, I don't think OSM wants to
> map for users who are ignorant of precision, simply because we wish them to
> (already) understand the word they are using:  this promulgates a lack of
> precision in our map, which can't be a good thing.  I might be unusual, but
> I enjoy learning something new (when mapping, when doing many activities),
> especially when and where the (newer) word is more precise rather than
> simply my commonplace understanding of it.
>
> I do appreciate that this might make difficult the interpretation of such
> a word into other languages, but a word as a stand-in for a concept should
> be translatable.  When it isn't, we have cognates, and those are perfectly
> suitable.  (I have noticed Francophones especially tend to dislike directly
> Anglophone cognates, instead coining their own word, one that is "more
> French").
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> "Fluid" is ideal, in my opinion.  As a native English speaker, it is both
> broad enough to encompass gasses as well as precise enough to include
> liquids (and gasses).  Liquid, while it is more common in English (not by
> much), is not as flexible a word and is imprecise (distinctly wrong) for
> gasses.  And as pipes carry both, we should prefer fluid over liquid.
>
> > On Mar 19, 2021, at 12:16 AM, Warin <61sundowner at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > The common use of the word 'fluid' only includes liquids.
> > Not everyone is a scientist. Even worse is the job of interpreting this
> into other languages.
> > So, yes .. avoid the use of the word 'fluids'.
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