[OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Should OSMF adopt a policy about State of the Map conference in places that are LGBTQ*/etc unsafe?

Ehnon Ehmous eh.non.eh.mous at gmail.com
Thu Oct 7 07:57:51 UTC 2021


Hello,

I like the Idea of a public checklist of preferred and invalidating
conditions. What those conditions are could be ironed out over more
discussion but a framework of them sounds prudent.

-Ehnon

On Thu, Oct 7, 2021 at 3:09 PM Andrew Hain <andrewhainosm at hotmail.co.uk>
wrote:

> I would add a couple more issues: adding requirements when the last two
> calls for venues failed to get a bid the first time could mean either no
> conference or one that is very defective in other ways, also being a map of
> the whole world is itself a diversity matter for us and we’d risk confining
> ourselves to a few “safe” parts of the world at the expense of our wider
> community.
>
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> Andrew
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> *Subject:* Re: [Osmf-talk] Should OSMF adopt a policy about State of the
> Map conference in places that are LGBTQ*/etc unsafe?
>
> Hello,
> That is certainly a topic to be considered.
> I'm not sure it is better to close the debate beforehand by such a rule
> instead of having the debate when considering a particular venue.
> The later may give more room to discuss about diversity in the future,
> also when a place is in a grey area. Of course, we can have this discussion
> now.
>
> Regards,
> Yves
>
>
> Le 6 octobre 2021 23:09:02 GMT+02:00, Amanda McCann <
> amanda.mccann at osmfoundation.org> a écrit :
>
> Hello OSM friends,
>
> So here's an idea... I've previously complained when an organisation holds an event in a place where it's “illegal to be gay” and claim that the event is a “safe space”. Since I'm on the OSMF Board, I would be wrong for me to continue to complain about other organisations and not try to suggest such a policy for the OSMF.
>
> The OSMF grants a trademark licence (for the “State of the Map” trademark which the OSMF legally owns) to regional event conferences, and legally, the OSMF runs the annual State of the Map conference.
>
> There are several different wordings of this policy possible. My initial idea of a policy is: “you can't have a SotM for [REGION] in a venue if same-sex sexual activity is illegal (& that's being enforced) there, *and* there is a place in [REGION] where that is legal (or illegal & not enforced)”. This covers bi/pan/queer/etc people.
>
> I can't easily think of a simple rule for trans/gender identity issues that's as clear cut for the very basic level (e.g. many countries have required gender segregated toilets for a long time and the laws requiring ”birth sex” are new and uncommon, legal gender recognition might not be so relevant for a visitor, etc) so I'll stick to this for now. I am OK with “State of the Map [COUNTRY]” happening in a country where it's illegal everywhere. My goal is to prevent anyone having a *legal downgrade* with “State of the Map”.
>
> Many in OSM have spent a long time improving things for minoritized groups, and maybe this is just another step in that process. I am only mentioning “illegal to be gay” because it's a simple, clear standard. I think it could be benefitial to include other standards too (e.g. I believe some countries forbid women from driving). I am focussing on LGBTQ+ issues because that affects me personally, and I know a lot about it. I encourage other minoritized people to speak up if they want.
>
> So what do yous, the wider OSM(F) community think about the OSMF adopting this policy (or something like it, or not adopting anything new policy)?
>
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