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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 15-Feb-18 12:29 AM, Martin
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          <div class="gmail_quote">2018-02-14 14:10 GMT+01:00 Mateusz
            Konieczny <span dir="ltr"><<a
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              10 Feb 2018 00:50:32 +0100<br>
              Tom Pfeifer <<a href="mailto:t.pfeifer@computer.org"
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              What I miss is some generic "do not map completely private<br>
              data".<br>
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            <div>it might not always be clear what "completely private
              data" is. E.g. if you map the surface properties of
              private ground, or private swimming pools, these could be
              private details if you already know who lives there, but
              it isn't private data as long as you don't know it. And it
              might be relevant data for others (e.g. to see how much of
              an area is sealed, or to estimate how much water is
              "wasted" in swimming pools, etc.).<br>
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    Swimming pools, even private ones, can be used to fight fires. So
    that information can serve public good. <br>
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    Private buildings may need a fire fought on them. So that
    information can serve the private owner. <br>
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    Some don't want their information mapped in OSM due to the perceived
    increased risk of threat.<br>
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    I take the view that if I can see it, asa member of the public, then
    it is ok to map. <br>
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    These things need to be judged locally to suit local conditions. .<br>
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              Maybe also mention some opposite cases? For example we map
              military<br>
              areas, also in countries that have laws forbidding doing
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            <div>has nothing to do with "private data", IMHO<br>
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              I am unsure about "do not add the names of inhabitants to
              dwellings".<br>
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              I would describe my position as:<br>
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              In Europe/North America, information who lives at given
              location is<br>
              generally private and confidential. In addition it is not
              necessary<br>
              as we have addresses that are considered public.<br>
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    People change their homes from time to time, I think here it is on
    average every 10 years. <br>
    In that circumstance of semiregular changes I don't think it should
    be mapped. <br>
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    How does mapping this data help the average map user? <br>
    Consider the map lacks basic data in many areas of the world,
    greater good can be done by mapping this basic missing data. <br>
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              But significant part of people across the world have no
              addresses[1].<br>
              These places are generally not currently mapped in OSM, so
              how to<br>
              describe locating schemes used by their residents remains
              an unsolved<br>
              problem.<br>
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    Some places in Australia are known by the names of the
    home/homestead. <br>
    And that name can serve as an address. <br>
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            <div>likely the solution is not putting all these people
              with their names in OSM. "do not add the names of
              inhabitants to dwellings" seems fine to me.<br>
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            <div>They could use geocordinates, o solutions like
              what-three-fucks ;-)<br>
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            <div>Or maybe start inventing/assigning street names and
              housenumbers, if you just do it without a lot of
              coordination you might create some ambiguities, but it
              would probably already solve most of the issue.<br>
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    Inventing stuff is not what OSM is about. <br>
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            <div>Cheers,<br>
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            <div>Martin<br>
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